4 in 10 now say socialism would be good for US: Gallup poll

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Bald-face lying is not helping your case, and making you look dishonest and trollish.

There are no American liberals who want to be like Cuba.

They want to emulate Norway or Sweden. And that is what frightens teabaggers. Teabaggers know they hybrid mixed economies of the Scandinavia social welfare states are among the most admired in all of human history.

I don't care what you think I look like, because you don't know anything.

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I doubt that. No mainstream American politician wants that kind of Socialism. Even Sanders and AOC don't want that.

Then they shouldn't say they want socialism, or any kind of socialism.

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If you're going by the original Marxist definition, then yes.
But thanks to Fox News, Socialism has been redefined in America. When Americans say they want Socialism, they mean the economic policies of Scandinavian countries.

Yet those Scandinavian countries that you admire are moving away from the cradle to grave welfare model. There is no way on Earth that the high taxes of Scandinavia would be tolerated in the US, the consensus in Europe is breaking down, due in part to high immigration, and the resultant deliterious effect on the Welfare State and also the postwar consensus is no longer sustainable.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-welfare-state

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Then they shouldn't say they want socialism, or any kind of socialism.

Maybe, but words change over time. After the GOP and Fox News spent eight years calling Obama a Socialist, most Americans now think any government regulations that help the working-class are Socialism.
So if you say you want Democratic Socialism, people know what you mean. The word has evolved and now means something like Nordic economics.

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Then you want state capitalism. Your opinion is meaningless because it is wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism

It isn't a dichotomy, you don't have to pick one or the got to pick one or the other, in fact, there doesn't exist a pure capitalist nor socialist economy in the world, all nations have a mixed economy, the US has been partially socialist since the 19th Century

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Maybe, but words change over time. After the GOP and Fox News spent eight years calling Obama a Socialist, most Americans now think any government regulations that help the working-class are Socialism.
So if you say you want Democratic Socialism, people know what you mean. The word has evolved and now means something like Nordic economics.

Not according to the Democratic Socialists of America, of which some congresspeople are members. Even they know the difference between Social democracy and democratic socialism.

https://www.dsausa.org/about-us/what...tic-socialism/

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Yet those Scandinavian countries that you admire are moving away from the cradle to grave welfare model. There is no way on Earth that the high taxes of Scandinavia would be tolerated in the US, the consensus in Europe is breaking down due in part to high immigration and the resultant deliterious effect on the Welfare State.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-welfare-state

Sadly, yes. A country can't have both a welfare state and mass immigration, but Europe has made the idiotic decision to attempt both.
The good news is many right-wing Nationalist parties in Europe are still pretty left-wing and are making the argument that they need to close the borders so that they can maintain their welfare state.

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It isn't a dichotomy, you don't have to pick one or the got to pick one or the other, in fact, there doesn't exist a pure capitalist nor socialist economy in the world, all nations have a mixed economy, the US has been partially socialist since the 19th Century

No they have not.

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No they have not.

Sure it has, Munn v Illinois, 1880 something, allowed the Federal Gov't to regulate railroads

[Heff]

Sure it has, Munn v Illinois, 1880 something, allowed the Federal Gov't to regulate railroads

Since when is government regulation socialism?

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Since when is government regulation socialism?

Gov't involvement in the economy, sure as hell ain't capitalism

[Althea]

I guess that also means 4 in 10 are ahistorical idiots.

More than likely, 4 in 10 are Midwest farmers who see that trump's brand of capitalism isn't working. In fact, they're all in line with their hands out for round two of Socialism handouts

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Not according to the Democratic Socialists of America, of which some congresspeople are members. Even they know the difference between Social democracy and democratic socialism.

https://www.dsausa.org/about-us/what...tic-socialism/

Which congresspeople are members?

Based on what they're saying here, I can't think of any politicians who represent their views.

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Which congresspeople are members?

Based on what they're saying here, I can't think of any politicians who represent their views.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Rashida Tlaib.

[Sailor]

Gov't involvement in the economy, sure as hell ain't capitalism

How do you get the government acted in a socialist capacity in that ruling?