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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    The federal income tax marginal rates were much higher but the effective tax rates were about the same because of all the deductions. If you look at the federal revenue and expenditures in the 50's and 60's as a percent of GDP you will see they were both lower. Maybe that booming economy was due to government taking less and spending less of our money.

    The economy in the 50's was not booming as much as today. The middle class is smaller today because more Americans have moved into higher income brackets according to IRS studies.
    Then who paid for all these roads & bridges they built?? Mexico I guess.....
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Then who paid for all these roads & bridges they built?? Mexico I guess.....
    Good grief, Billy...that's below pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Your fellow teabaggers called Obama a "socialist" for a decade, because he wanted to establish a tax payer supported health insurance program.

    How many times have we heard Medicare and Medicaid refered to as socialistic?

    You are going to have to stop changing the definition of what you mean by "socialism". In my experience, people who are constantly re-defining words, changing the parameters of the debate, and moving the goal posts on a whim, either have no principled positions of their own, or they are not confident in the strength of their own arguments.
    Your post is based on completely false assumptions. I have posted many times saying socialism is the government ownership of the means of production and distribution. I said both the left and the right use the term to apply to social welfare programs which are not necessarily related.

    Medicare and Medicaid are both privately run programs paid largely by government funds. I never claimed it was socialism. I agree people need to stop changing the definition. Having socialism does not usually mean equality, universal healthcare and college, less income inequality, or worker run businesses. The most socialist nations (Cuba, China, North Korea, the former Soviet Union) had few of these characteristics but had large-scale government ownership of major industries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Then who paid for all these roads & bridges they built?? Mexico I guess.....
    Nothing I said is contrary to the government paying for the roads (although federal and state gasoline taxes paid for most of it rather than federal income taxes). In your 1950's utopia for the American middle class they did not have Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, Earned Income Tax Credit, college loans and grants, poverty programs, etc. Maybe that extra money paid for the roads and bridges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Nothing I said is contrary to the government paying for the roads (although federal and state gasoline taxes paid for most of it rather than federal income taxes). In your 1950's utopia for the American middle class they did not have Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, Earned Income Tax Credit, college loans and grants, poverty programs, etc. Maybe that extra money paid for the roads and bridges.
    What about the 800 billion we spend on defense??
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    What about the 800 billion we spend on defense??
    Defense spending was very high during the post-war years.

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    This economy has had socialist elements as it should for a century or more.
    That's what mixed market economy means. Some industries are more efficiently run as a monopoly.
    Tards cannot be suggesting such utilities should be wholly unregulated, are they?

    So the argument is not socialism versus capitalism. That's reductionist and stupid.
    The question is what industries are more efficiently operated with a well regulated monopoly, or government

    administered, and which industries are more efficient with more unfettered capitalism. Those questions
    beg for extremely specific and fact based answers.

    No tards are capable of engaging in the required analysis, as for example explaining why healthcare

    in our system does not serve millions, has worse outcomes and costs way more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Defense spending was very high during the post-war years.
    Do you think we should be spending on "defense" as much as the rest of the planet combined??
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Those four (4) who favor Socialism should head on down to Venezuela...bring food...and batteries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Do you think we should be spending on "defense" as much as the rest of the planet combined??
    We defend the rest of the planet. They should spend more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    We defend the rest of the planet. They should spend more.
    Let them defend themselves or pay for it, isn't that the trump motto??
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    We're getting there.
    Still begging for successful people like me to give lazy pieces of shit like you something you didn't earn, boy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    This economy has had socialist elements as it should for a century or more.
    That's what mixed market economy means. Some industries are more efficiently run as a monopoly.
    Tards cannot be suggesting such utilities should be wholly unregulated, are they?

    So the argument is not socialism versus capitalism. That's reductionist and stupid.
    The question is what industries are more efficiently operated with a well regulated monopoly, or government

    administered, and which industries are more efficient with more unfettered capitalism. Those questions
    beg for extremely specific and fact based answers.

    No tards are capable of engaging in the required analysis, as for example explaining why healthcare

    in our system does not serve millions, has worse outcomes and costs way more.
    Every time you post you manage to show your utter ignorance about anything. That really is as kind as I can say it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CFM View Post
    Still begging for successful people like me to give lazy pieces of shit like you something you didn't earn, boy?
    You are on of them rich rednecks that have two holes in the outhouse, right Cletus??

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    Quote Originally Posted by CFM View Post
    Still begging for successful people like me to give lazy pieces of shit like you something you didn't earn, boy?
    I doubt you're part of the 1%.

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