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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    More than 4 in 10 respondents in a new Gallup poll now say that socialism would be a good thing for the U.S.

    The survey results, released Monday, found that 43 percent of respondents said “some form of socialism” would be a good thing for the nation as a whole.

    A little more than half — 51 percent — said that socialism would be a bad thing for the country. And 6 percent said they did not have an opinion.

    The results show an increase of 15 points in the number of respondents who said socialism would be a good thing compared to a 1942 Roper/Fortune survey, in which just 25 percent of respondents said socialism would be a good thing and 40 percent said it would be bad.

    The results contrast with a Monmouth University poll from earlier this month which found that 57 percent of voters believe that socialism is incompatible with American values.

    The Gallup poll, which collected data between April 17-30, comes as more high-profile politicians label themselves socialist. Most notably, self-avowed democratic socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) has continued to poll in the top tier of the pool of 2020 Democratic candidates for president, though most of his competitors have distanced themselves from the label.

    As the 2020 battle gets underway, Republicans have widely targeted Democrats for allegedly “embracing” socialism.

    Gallup also found that Americans are more likely to favor free market over government control on a number of issues, including technological innovation, wealth distribution, the economy, wages, higher education and health care. Respondents favored government control in just two categories: environmental protection and consumers’ online privacy protection.

    Respondents were split on their description of the U.S. economy, with 40 percent saying it leans more toward government control, 34 percent saying it leans toward free market control and 25 percent describing it as an equal mix of the two.

    The poll of 1,024 adults has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.
    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...od-for-us-poll
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Your "Democrats want us to be like Cuba!" is not going to work anywhere except in the very depths, in the echo chamber of your rightwing blogosphere.

    I have heard exactly zero Millenials or real people in real life express a genuine belief that Democrats want to emulate and copy Fidel Castro.

    Your kidding yourself if you thin anyone buys that. I am convinced even you do not really but it.

    What most people realize is that liberals and progressive democrats would advocate for a social welfare state that - while approximating Scandinavia - does not even really go that far leftward.
    Then just say that. Why are you selling socialism? You should be standing right beside me pointing and laughing at socialism and the folly of it all. But whether from pure stubbornness or stupidity, you refuse. Now we have 4 in 10 people saying socialism would be good for the US. That's madness!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Money quote there is "some form" of socialism.

    The hybrid socialist-free market economies of Scandinavia are among most admired socio-economic systems in human history.

    Teabaggers have a vested interest is trying to conflate socialism with the totalitarian Leninist state epitomized by the Soviet Union. For very obvious reasons. Because the hybrid socialist-free market economies of northern Europe are shining examples of success stories in human history.

    Albert Einstein was the most credible and influential person of the 20th century to argue on behalf of democratic socialism in the face of the immorality of unrestrained capitalism

    What the fuck are you talking about.
    In all my years I have never heard of “hybrid socialist-free market economics “. Show me the definition or is that a word you made up.

    The Scandinavian countries don’t have a socialist economy. They have a free market economy.
    Socialism means the government is exerting control or ownership of businesses. That is not the case in any of the Scandinavian countries.

    The Scandinavian countries practice a free market economics paired with high taxes exchanged for government entitlement programs. It was the free market economy that generated wealth that allowed the government to raise the taxes.
    An example of the lack of government involvement is there is no minimum wage laws.

    These Jack asses aren’t socialist. They are simply buying votes in exchange for promises to provide freebies at taxpayer expense.

    Finland personal income tax rate is expected to be 51.60% by the end of the quarter.
    Swedes pays 49% to 60% in personal income tax if you earn over 32,000 pounds
    Denmark personal income tax rate is expected to be 55.80% by the end of the quarter.

    In the US depending on your earnings, you pay 10% to 37%. I believe the majority of the wage earners income tax rate is about 22%-24%.
    Go look at your paycheck and pretend you live in Denmark. Half of what you earned is going to the government. Have a nice flight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heff View Post
    Fair enough. I don't think we should use the word "socialism" unless it is a term of ridicule towards those who want it.
    Using it as a term of ridicule is what the Right did. Now people think any liberal economic policy is Socialism.

    But no, capitalist countries have not failed. In fact, we have some side-by-side comparisons, ie. West Germany vs East Germany and South Korea vs North Korea.
    Well it also depends on what you consider a fail. Like I said, Nazi Germany was Capitalist, despite the name of the NSDAP. I'm guessing you consider that a failed state, since you listed National Socialism before. Botswana and Rwanda are considered Capitalist, since they are more economically free than most countries, but they're still pretty shitty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Using it as a term of ridicule is what the Right did. Now people think any liberal economic policy is Socialism.



    Well it also depends on what you consider a fail. Like I said, Nazi Germany was Capitalist, despite the name of the NSDAP. I'm guessing you consider that a failed state, since you listed National Socialism before. Botswana and Rwanda are considered Capitalist, since they are more economically free than most countries, but they're still pretty shitty.
    No, Nazi Germany was not pure capitalist.
    The government was in bed with certain companies who supported their war efforts. The government provided economic favors to these companies that included suppression of the unions.
    There was no part of the economy that was unaffected by the change of the fascist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tkaffen View Post
    No, Nazi Germany was not pure capitalist.
    The government was in bed with certain companies who supported their war efforts. The government provided economic favors to these companies that included suppression of the unions. [/QUOTE]

    That's literally every Capitalist country. No country has zero government regulations and pretty much all of them provide favors to certain companies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    The government was in bed with certain companies who supported their war efforts. The government provided economic favors to these companies that included suppression of the unions.
    That's literally every Capitalist country. No country has zero government regulations and pretty much all of them provide favors to certain companies.[/QUOTE]

    Are you on drugs. Is that what StonebyStone means.
    We are not talking about normal regulations to protect the consumer. We are talking about strong arm tactics, destroying Jewish businesses and beating up or killing union leaders. We are talking about burning businesses if they don’t cooperate.
    You are an economics and financial moron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tkaffen View Post
    What the fuck are you talking about.
    In all my years I have never heard of “hybrid socialist-free market economics “. Show me the definition or is that a word you made up.

    The Scandinavian countries don’t have a socialist economy. They have a free market economy.
    Socialism means the government is exerting control or ownership of businesses. That is not the case in any of the Scandinavian countries.

    The Scandinavian countries practice a free market economics paired with high taxes exchanged for government entitlement programs. It was the free market economy that generated wealth that allowed the government to raise the taxes.
    An example of the lack of government involvement is there is no minimum wage laws.

    These Jack asses aren’t socialist. They are simply buying votes in exchange for promises to provide freebies at taxpayer expense.

    Finland personal income tax rate is expected to be 51.60% by the end of the quarter.
    Swedes pays 49% to 60% in personal income tax if you earn over 32,000 pounds
    Denmark personal income tax rate is expected to be 55.80% by the end of the quarter.

    In the US depending on your earnings, you pay 10% to 37%. I believe the majority of the wage earners income tax rate is about 22%-24%.
    Go look at your paycheck and pretend you live in Denmark. Half of what you earned is going to the government. Have a nice flight.
    Your obsession with tax rates is obviously related to your lifetime of listening to the propoganda of noted oxycontin drug addict Rush Limbaugh and fellow performers at Faux News.

    It is the same money whether you pay it in taxes or pay it directly out of your pocket.

    Swedes and Danes pay higher taxes so that their out-of-pocket expenses for health care, child care, day care, et al. is lower or non-existent.

    We make the opposite choice, in some ways.

    But it is all the same money.

    It comes down to a choice. And simply bellowing out "high taxes!" does not cut the mustard, any more than claiming Democrats want to emulate Fidel Castro

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    not surprising........4 in 10 are demmycrats......

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Gov't involvement in the economy, sure as hell ain't capitalism
    good lord......people today are so much dumber than they use to be.......government regulation is not socialism......government OWNERSHIP is socialism........

    Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterized by social ownership of the means of production and workers' self-management, as well as the political theories and movements associated with them.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Now are you another one of those older conservative white males that has a fixation thing with the twenty nine year old freshman representative?
    we aren't fixated with a twenty nine year old freshman representative.......we're fixated with the fact the demmycrats were stupid enough to elect a twenty nine year old freshman representative........

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    More than 4 in 10 respondents in a new Gallup poll now say that socialism would be a good thing for the U.S.

    The survey results, released Monday, found that 43 percent of respondents said “some form of socialism” would be a good thing for the nation as a whole.

    A little more than half — 51 percent — said that socialism would be a bad thing for the country. And 6 percent said they did not have an opinion.

    The results show an increase of 15 points in the number of respondents who said socialism would be a good thing compared to a 1942 Roper/Fortune survey, in which just 25 percent of respondents said socialism would be a good thing and 40 percent said it would be bad.

    The results contrast with a Monmouth University poll from earlier this month which found that 57 percent of voters believe that socialism is incompatible with American values.

    The Gallup poll, which collected data between April 17-30, comes as more high-profile politicians label themselves socialist. Most notably, self-avowed democratic socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) has continued to poll in the top tier of the pool of 2020 Democratic candidates for president, though most of his competitors have distanced themselves from the label.

    As the 2020 battle gets underway, Republicans have widely targeted Democrats for allegedly “embracing” socialism.

    Gallup also found that Americans are more likely to favor free market over government control on a number of issues, including technological innovation, wealth distribution, the economy, wages, higher education and health care. Respondents favored government control in just two categories: environmental protection and consumers’ online privacy protection.

    Respondents were split on their description of the U.S. economy, with 40 percent saying it leans more toward government control, 34 percent saying it leans toward free market control and 25 percent describing it as an equal mix of the two.

    The poll of 1,024 adults has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.
    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...od-for-us-poll
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    Positive Views About Capitalism and Socialism: by Age Group

    view of capitalism % / view of socialism %

    18-29
    2018......... 45....... 51

    2016........ 57....... 55
    2012....... 56....... 49
    2010....... 68....... 51

    30-49
    2018....... 58....... 41
    2016....... 54....... 37
    2012....... 65....... 42
    2010....... 58....... 36

    50-64
    2018....... 60....... 30
    2016....... 69....... 27
    2012....... 64....... 36
    2010....... 64....... 31

    65+
    2018....... 60....... 28
    2016....... 63....... 24
    2012....... 57....... 26
    2010....... 54....... 30
    GALLUP

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/240725/...&g_medium=copy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tkaffen View Post
    That's literally every Capitalist country. No country has zero government regulations and pretty much all of them provide favors to certain companies.
    Are you on drugs. Is that what StonebyStone means.
    We are not talking about normal regulations to protect the consumer. We are talking about strong arm tactics, destroying Jewish businesses and beating up or killing union leaders. We are talking about burning businesses if they don’t cooperate.
    You are an economics and financial moron.[/QUOTE]

    You got the quotes wrong here.

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    "When asked to explain their understanding of the term "socialism," 17% of Americans define it as government ownership of the means of production, half the number who defined it this way in 1949 when Gallup first asked about Americans' views of the term. Americans today are most likely to define socialism as connoting equality for everyone, while others understand the term as meaning the provision of benefits and social services, a modified form of communism, or a conception of socialism as people being social and getting along with one another. About a quarter of Americans were not able to give an answer."

    https://news.gallup.com/opinion/poll...ans-today.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Sadly, yes. A country can't have both a welfare state and mass immigration, but Europe has made the idiotic decision to attempt both.
    The good news is many right-wing Nationalist parties in Europe are still pretty left-wing and are making the argument that they need to close the borders so that they can maintain their welfare state.
    glad you get it!

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