The Tiki Room.

[RB 60]

When it comes to protecting wildlife and/or other animals, you bet your bippy that it's not.

Well, let a hunter chime in on this;

Our license fees go toward game management. That management keeps the populations in check. An example is coyotes, left to over-populate, they kill everything to near extinction from squirrels to small elk.
Example: When I was young, it was no rarity to see a herd of 15 -20 deer in the fields below the mountain I hunted when I scouted and spotlighted before the deer season. The coyote population increased significantly in that area and we're lucky to see 4 or 5 (usually 2 or 3) at one time anymore. Coyotes and fox have taken their toll on our deer herds, and virtually eliminated the ringneck population. In other areas that have no coyotes, the deer herds have increased to the point that during winter, they die of starvation because of competition for food (especially in deep snows), and in summer, put a major hurting on farm fields. So, in other words, hunters do protect wildlife.
Personally, with the exception of coyotes and groundhogs (that devastate the soybean fields and dig holes that break farm equipment), I've never hunted anything I didn't eat. My GF's brother-in-law hunts deer on his own land, butchers it and donates the meat to the local food bank. I have never had an interest in hunting exotic animals in foreign countries (it's the very rich who can afford it) so I cannot comment on what they do with the meat, but have heard they donate the meat to the locals. Myself, I know no one who hunts exotic game.
So, say and hate on us hunters all you want, but the truth of the matter is we hunters DO eat what we hunt and are responsible for the management and respect of our wildlife.

[TOP]

Good morning

[anatta]

That's very sweet. Be careful leaving food out at night because it draws raccoons too. Did you say a monsoon is coming this way? Can't get here soon enough. 100 for the next two days. I am so done with this.

i meant our seasonal rains. The heat is awful
There's no other way to feed them - whatever shows up eats, it's on the other side of the garden from my front door

[TOP]

We're the land of the free because of the brave...God Bless them all on this very special day...

[RB 60]

Happy Memorial Day everyone

Have a safe and enjoyable day!

[Eagle_Eye]

Just thought it might be a good time to repeat the OP. Hope you don't mind, Grumpy.



I didn't notice "non-partisan" in there, did you? lol

There is no such thing as a non partisan debate especially if it involves politics.

[Eagle_Eye]

Good morning all, and a happy Memorial day. My flag is at half staff in memory of all who have fallen in this nations wars. Please take a moment to remember their sacrifice as you enjoy the holiday.

[ThatOwlWoman]

i started putting out some lettuce for rabbits,and now I'm putting out blueberries, and straw and greens and commercial mix.
My cat sits in the window and watches the parade of rabbits all night long.

but they leave a lot of scat - so i sweep and hose everything up a couple times a week

We're in mid 90's no clouds for another 10 days until the monsoon eventual starts.
Everything is dry and burnt, so the berries help give them liquid,and i put out a tray of water as well

They will reward you with even more bunnies. lol How nice of you!

[ThatOwlWoman]

There is no such thing as a non partisan debate especially if it involves politics.

Quite true. I think DS confused "civil" with "nonpartisan."

[ThatOwlWoman]

Well, let a hunter chime in on this;
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So, say and hate on us hunters all you want, but the truth of the matter is we hunters DO eat what we hunt and are responsible for the management and respect of our wildlife.

I've got no quibble with that at all, esp. because it is all true. I wasn't "hating on hunters" at all. I was appalled that my state (which is also Jade's) has a couple of bozos who want to legalize the murder of a non-game inedible species by turning them into a game species. Unlike a population of deer which as you say can outgrow the food supply and become weak and diseased w/o judicious hunting, that's not an issue for these migratory cranes.

[Eagle_Eye]

I've got no quibble with that at all, esp. because it is all true. I wasn't "hating on hunters" at all. I was appalled that my state (which is also Jade's) has a couple of bozos who want to legalize the murder of a non-game inedible species by turning them into a game species. Unlike a population of deer which as you say can outgrow the food supply and become weak and diseased w/o judicious hunting, that's not an issue for these migratory cranes.

That sounds like a couple of bird brains in charge pun intended.

[ThatOwlWoman]

That sounds like a couple of bird brains in charge pun intended.

LOL -- yep! As Cypress correctly pointed out, it's just pandering to a segment of their voting base -- nature be damned.

[Cypress]

Well, let a hunter chime in on this;

Our license fees go toward game management. That management keeps the populations in check. An example is coyotes, left to over-populate, they kill everything to near extinction from squirrels to small elk.
Example: When I was young, it was no rarity to see a herd of 15 -20 deer in the fields below the mountain I hunted when I scouted and spotlighted before the deer season. The coyote population increased significantly in that area and we're lucky to see 4 or 5 (usually 2 or 3) at one time anymore. Coyotes and fox have taken their toll on our deer herds, and virtually eliminated the ringneck population. In other areas that have no coyotes, the deer herds have increased to the point that during winter, they die of starvation because of competition for food (especially in deep snows), and in summer, put a major hurting on farm fields. So, in other words, hunters do protect wildlife.
Personally, with the exception of coyotes and groundhogs (that devastate the soybean fields and dig holes that break farm equipment), I've never hunted anything I didn't eat. My GF's brother-in-law hunts deer on his own land, butchers it and donates the meat to the local food bank. I have never had an interest in hunting exotic animals in foreign countries (it's the very rich who can afford it) so I cannot comment on what they do with the meat, but have heard they donate the meat to the locals. Myself, I know no one who hunts exotic game.
So, say and hate on us hunters all you want, but the truth of the matter is we hunters DO eat what we hunt and are responsible for the management and respect of our wildlife.

Neither Owl nor anyone else I am aware of was talking about responsible game hunting.

Sandhill cranes are not game birds.

Responsible hunters do not advocate for the hunting of endangered or sensitive species.

The purpose of the resolution in Michigan to allow hunting of the endangered crane is because supposedly some farmers claimed the cranes are a nuisance to their crops and property. Not because they would make a tasty addition to the Thanksgiving feast.

Wildlife conservationists pointed out there are other ways of managing any nuisance from cranes other than blowing them out of the sky in a hailstorm of bullets.


On the topic of game hunting - Responsible game hunting is a benefit to our management of our ecosystems and our natural heritage.

[Mason Michaels]

LOL -- yep! As Cypress correctly pointed out, it's just pandering to a segment of their voting base -- nature be damned.

If only politicians could be kept out of politics

[ThatOwlWoman]

Reagan's Ghost posted this on another thread. It's worth sharing here.

JUST A COMMON SOLDIER
A Soldier Died Today


He was getting old and paunchy and his hair was falling fast,
And he sat around the Legion, telling stories of the past.
Of a war that he had fought in and the deeds that he had done,
In his exploits with his buddies; they were heroes, every one.

And tho' sometimes, to his neighbors, his tales became a joke,
All his Legion buddies listened, for they knew whereof he spoke.
But we'll hear his tales no longer for old Bill has passed away,
And the world's a little poorer, for a soldier died today.

He will not be mourned by many, just his children and his wife,
For he lived an ordinary and quite uneventful life.
Held a job and raised a family, quietly going his own way,
And the world won't note his passing, though a soldier died today.

When politicians leave this earth, their bodies lie in state,
While thousands note their passing and proclaim that they were great.
Papers tell their whole life stories, from the time that they were young,
But the passing of a soldier goes unnoticed and unsung.

Is the greatest contribution to the welfare of our land
A guy who breaks his promises and cons his fellow man?
Or the ordinary fellow who, in times of war and strife,
Goes off to serve his Country and offers up his life?

A politician's stipend and the style in which he lives
Are sometimes disproportionate to the service that he gives.
While the ordinary soldier, who offered up his all,
Is paid off with a medal and perhaps, a pension small.

It's so easy to forget them for it was so long ago,
That the old Bills of our Country went to battle, but we know
It was not the politicians, with their compromise and ploys,
Who won for us the freedom that our Country now enjoys.

Should you find yourself in danger, with your enemies at hand,
Would you want a politician with his ever-shifting stand?
Or would you prefer a soldier, who has sworn to defend
His home, his kin and Country and would fight until the end?

He was just a common soldier and his ranks are growing thin,
But his presence should remind us we may need his like again.
For when countries are in conflict, then we find the soldier's part
Is to clean up all the troubles that the politicians start.

If we cannot do him honor while he's here to hear the praise,
Then at least let's give him homage at the ending of his days.
Perhaps just a simple headline in a paper that would say,
Our Country is in mourning, for a soldier died today.

~ A. Lawrence Vaincourt



https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...COMMON-SOLDIER