Liberals Are Wrong to Reject Trump’s Immigration Plan ( NYTimes )

[TTQ64]

Ppl want more, better jobs, higher paying jobs, not just a mini wage..... Maybe that is what you want

& yet you seem to be the only one that seems to remember that....

Sad dear lady, as it never happened, never crossed my mine.........

You didn't answer my question. What is a better high paying job? Why do you want people to work for slave wages? Isn't it enough that corporation paying these slave wages are not paying taxes?

I'm the only one who pays attention. Like I had the conversation with Minty, the old boards were very right leaning. You thought chrispy was the idea candidate after hurricane sandy. You was all on his jock strap.

You can pretend it didn't happen, but I don't forget.

[Superfreak]

It won’t happen for two reasons

1) Pelosi has already come out against it. Pride will prevent her from walking it back

2) Their base will revolt if the democrat party is seen as giving Trump anything remotely resembling a victory on immigration this close to 2020

Except Pelosi supported merit based immigration back in 2013. So just point out her hypocrisy.

[Earl]

Shut the fuck up you ignorant shitstain.
Bush did nothing, Obama deported far more.

Stupid lying piece of shit.

Take a hike, pende*o.

[Earl]

The illegals deported by Obama all came back...plus millions more.

[evince]

Except Pelosi supported merit based immigration back in 2013. So just point out her hypocrisy.

link

[evince]

The illegals deported by Obama all came back...plus millions more.

link

[Superfreak]

link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border...on_Act_of_2013

https://www.politico.com/story/2013/...rm-bill-097223

[evince]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border...on_Act_of_2013

https://www.politico.com/story/2013/...rm-bill-097223

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border...lient_features


Salient features[edit]
Most of the debate is focused on illegal immigrants but there is only a small part of the bill that deals with this issue (path to legalization). The rest of the bill focuses on:
Adopting a points-based immigration system, like UK and Canada. This will allow acceptance of immigrants according to a merit-based system based on professional skills, family relations, and work history in the U.S.
Stronger border security and law enforcement.
Removal of per country green card quota limits, which would help in reducing the long backlogs. The wait time is in decades for some countries and many high-skilled immigrants (including U.S. educated immigrants), thus, tend to go back to their home countries due to the lack of a timely process.
Creating a new INVEST visa which would allow prospective foreign entrepreneurs to stay in the US and start companies easily (under current law, it is extremely difficult to do so). Data suggests that companies owned by immigrants are likely to hire more employees than native-born-owned companies.[13]
Up to 25,000 more visas/green-cards to be allotted to foreign students who have earned a master's degree or above in science, technology, engineering or math (STEM).[14] Research has shown that, on average, every 100 foreign students who remain in the United States after receiving a degree in science, technology, engineering or math (a so-called STEM degree) create 262 additional jobs in US.[15]
Creation of W visa to allow low-skilled temporary workers.
The bill would replace the H-2A visa program for agricultural workers with a new “blue card” for immigrants.[16]
Increasing the number of H1B visas and imposing restrictions on the companies who misuse this program.[14]
Allowing immigrants illegally brought to the U.S. as children to apply for registered provisional status, and to adjust that status to legal permanent residency after five years, faster than other illegal immigrants.[16]
Transferring the quota of green cards now assigned to the Diversity Visa Lottery program to immigrants with advanced skills. Under the current DV lottery rules, lottery winners who have a high school diploma or "[t]wo years of work experience within the past five years in an occupation requiring at least two years' training or experience"[17] are eligible for consideration.
Creating a program to provide jobs to low-income and minimally-skilled American youth.

[evince]

The Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act of 2013 (S.744) was a proposed immigration reform bill introduced by Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY) in the United States Senate [1] and co-sponsored by the other seven members of the "Gang of Eight", a bipartisan group of U.S. Senators who wrote and negotiated the bill. It was introduced into the Senate of the 113th United States Congress on April 16, 2013.
The Senate Judiciary Committee held hearings on the bill in April 2013.[2] The bill was voted out of Committee on May 21, 2013 and was placed on the Senate calendar.[3] On June 27, 2013, the Senate passed the bill on 68-32 margin. The bill was not considered by United States House of Representatives and died in the 113th Congress.
If enacted, the bill would have made it possible for many undocumented immigrants to gain legal status and eventually citizenship. It would have increased border security by adding up to 40,000 border patrol agents. It also would have advanced talent-based immigration through a points-based immigration system. New visas had been proposed in this legislation, including a visa for entrepreneurs and a W visa for lower skilled workers.[4] It also proposed new restrictions on H1B visa program to prevent its abuse and additional visas/green-cards for students with science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) degrees from U.S. institutions. The bill also included a $1.5 billion youth jobs program and repealed the Diversity Visa Lottery in favor of prospective legal immigrants who are already in the United States.
The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office estimated this reform bill would have reduced the U.S. fiscal deficit by US$197 billion over the next ten years and by $700 billion by 2033.[5] Its report also states that, if the bill had been passed, U.S. wages would have been 0.1 percent lower in 2023 and 0.5 percent higher in 2033 than under current law.[6] The Social Security Administration said that it would help add $276 billion in revenue over the next 10 years while costing only $33 billion.[7]

[evince]

super duper the bloody red brick pooper failed to read the entire link he posted

[Superfreak]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border...lient_features


Salient features[edit]
Most of the debate is focused on illegal immigrants but there is only a small part of the bill that deals with this issue (path to legalization). The rest of the bill focuses on:
Adopting a points-based immigration system, like UK and Canada. This will allow acceptance of immigrants according to a merit-based system based on professional skills, family relations, and work history in the U.S.
Stronger border security and law enforcement.
Removal of per country green card quota limits, which would help in reducing the long backlogs. The wait time is in decades for some countries and many high-skilled immigrants (including U.S. educated immigrants), thus, tend to go back to their home countries due to the lack of a timely process.
Creating a new INVEST visa which would allow prospective foreign entrepreneurs to stay in the US and start companies easily (under current law, it is extremely difficult to do so). Data suggests that companies owned by immigrants are likely to hire more employees than native-born-owned companies.[13]
Up to 25,000 more visas/green-cards to be allotted to foreign students who have earned a master's degree or above in science, technology, engineering or math (STEM).[14] Research has shown that, on average, every 100 foreign students who remain in the United States after receiving a degree in science, technology, engineering or math (a so-called STEM degree) create 262 additional jobs in US.[15]
Creation of W visa to allow low-skilled temporary workers.
The bill would replace the H-2A visa program for agricultural workers with a new “blue card” for immigrants.[16]
Increasing the number of H1B visas and imposing restrictions on the companies who misuse this program.[14]
Allowing immigrants illegally brought to the U.S. as children to apply for registered provisional status, and to adjust that status to legal permanent residency after five years, faster than other illegal immigrants.[16]
Transferring the quota of green cards now assigned to the Diversity Visa Lottery program to immigrants with advanced skills. Under the current DV lottery rules, lottery winners who have a high school diploma or "[t]wo years of work experience within the past five years in an occupation requiring at least two years' training or experience"[17] are eligible for consideration.
Creating a program to provide jobs to low-income and minimally-skilled American youth.

Like I stated and you just confirmed... she was for a merit based immigration.

[Superfreak]

super duper the bloody red brick pooper failed to read the entire link he posted

ROFLMAO... the irony is so thick

[Superfreak]

The Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act of 2013 (S.744) was a proposed immigration reform bill introduced by Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY) in the United States Senate [1] and co-sponsored by the other seven members of the "Gang of Eight", a bipartisan group of U.S. Senators who wrote and negotiated the bill. It was introduced into the Senate of the 113th United States Congress on April 16, 2013.
The Senate Judiciary Committee held hearings on the bill in April 2013.[2] The bill was voted out of Committee on May 21, 2013 and was placed on the Senate calendar.[3] On June 27, 2013, the Senate passed the bill on 68-32 margin. The bill was not considered by United States House of Representatives and died in the 113th Congress.
If enacted, the bill would have made it possible for many undocumented immigrants to gain legal status and eventually citizenship. It would have increased border security by adding up to 40,000 border patrol agents. It also would have advanced talent-based immigration through a points-based immigration system. New visas had been proposed in this legislation, including a visa for entrepreneurs and a W visa for lower skilled workers.[4] It also proposed new restrictions on H1B visa program to prevent its abuse and additional visas/green-cards for students with science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) degrees from U.S. institutions. The bill also included a $1.5 billion youth jobs program and repealed the Diversity Visa Lottery in favor of prospective legal immigrants who are already in the United States.
The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office estimated this reform bill would have reduced the U.S. fiscal deficit by US$197 billion over the next ten years and by $700 billion by 2033.[5] Its report also states that, if the bill had been passed, U.S. wages would have been 0.1 percent lower in 2023 and 0.5 percent higher in 2033 than under current law.[6] The Social Security Administration said that it would help add $276 billion in revenue over the next 10 years while costing only $33 billion.[7]

I know it was bipartisan you moron.

[evince]

Never said she didn't asshole

I asked you for a link to your claim and you did


I then proved what they were truly backing asshole

the MERIT SHIT was what was negociated by the republicans huh fuck fart

[evince]

prove the Democratic party members supported that part alone

THEY DIDNT huh you ass fuck