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    Quote Originally Posted by Centerleftfl View Post
    So models who have only a high school education but can walk a runway is 'merit based'? Just how big do their 'tits' have to be?
    Please cite one...who was NOT LEGALLY and GAINFULLY EMPLOYED BEFORE IMMIGRATING.
    TRUMP WILL TAKE FORTY STATES...UNLESS THE SAME IDIOTS WHO BROUGHT US THE 2020 DUNCE-O-CRAT IOWA CLUSTERFUCK CONTINUE THEIR SEDITIOUS ACTIVITIES...THEN HE WILL WIN EVEN MORE ..UNLESS THE RED CHINESE AND DNC COLLUDE, USE A PANDEMIC, AND THEN THE DEMOCRATS VIOLATE ARTICLE II OF THE CONSTITUTION, TO FACILLITATE MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL, UNVETTED, MAIL IN BALLOTS IN THE DARK OF NIGHT..


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    Quote Originally Posted by CharacterAssassin View Post
    Democrats aren't actually doing that, silly whore.
    So you say.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Getin the ring View Post
    As long as Democrats tie themselves to allowing open borders, it matters little what else they say

    we are a nation of laws or we are not a nation, period.
    I know maybe 2 PEOPLE who are open borders types. I know and hang with at least 60 DEMs at any given time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Centerleftfl View Post
    So models who have only a high school education but can walk a runway is 'merit based'? Just how big do their 'tits' have to be?
    Not big at all. DEMOCRATS don't want a wall that might impede illegal child smuggling, do they?

    Gropin' Joe seems to like all sizes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Centerleftfl View Post
    I know maybe 2 PEOPLE who are open borders types. I know and hang with at least 60 DEMs at any given time.
    So you say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Not big at all. DEMOCRATS don't want a wall that might impede illegal child smuggling, do they?

    Gropin' Joe seems to like all sizes.


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    Sad that Wegion sucks so much cock.

    Sadder still that he's begging for more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katzgutz View Post
    you started your opioids early today
    Who told you that, grandpa? Are you having a geriatric hallucination?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centerleftfl View Post
    NO DACA! No deal. From all I read that's the POISON PILL.
    Yep, the dems have dug in on that... TO bad they don't have that same passion for the millions of Americans rusting away in the rust patch, or kids ODing in Appalachia..

    To bad they can't offer real jobs INSTEAD OF A FUCKING HIGHER MINIMUM WAGE................ IMHO they are going to fail again if they don't change that.....
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    Indeed.

    The fact that the radical Democrat Socialists won’t change the immigration laws proves that they want open borders...for votes.

    Their sanctuary cities prove it too.
    Shut the fuck up you ignorant shitstain.
    Bush did nothing, Obama deported far more.

    Stupid lying piece of shit.
    It is the responsibility of every American citizen to own a modern military rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    Shut the fuck up you ignorant shitstain.
    Bush did nothing, Obama deported far more.

    Stupid lying piece of shit.
    fucking idiot. Obama didn't have families that required Asylum hearings -he could deport right at the border

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Yep, the dems have dug in on that... TO bad they don't have that same passion for the millions of Americans rusting away in the rust patch, or kids ODing in Appalachia..

    Or the same passion for millions of Black Americans locked up in for profit prisons and being brutalized or murdered by law enforcement
    Or the same passion for millions of Black Americans not having equal rights in this country.
    Or the same passion for millions of Black Americans not being able to vote.

    To bad they can't offer real jobs INSTEAD OF A FUCKING HIGHER MINIMUM WAGE................ IMHO they are going to fail again if they don't change that.....
    *SIGH*...….WTF is real jobs? Why do you support slavery by not wanting to raise the minimum wage? You think that's a losing issue for the dems? That's the dumbest shit ever. Please continue to vote for republicans because the dems will fight for increasing the minimum wage.

    The dems will lose their base if they take on the racist white man lie of not raising the minimum wage. Corporations don't pay taxes and now you don't want them to pay a decent wage............SMH......….We can not let the racist republcians dictate our agenda. They won't vote for us anyway. I've always giving you the side eye especially when you suggested chris christy for president. Shows your lack of character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    he centerpiece of Mr. Trump’s proposal is a promise to move the United States away from a system that favors family sponsorship toward one that favors “merit” or skills-based immigration. Whether judged according to merit or family ties, immigrants are already better educated than their native-born counterparts. So if Mr. Trump wants to shift the debate to skills, liberals should take him up on his offer.

    Unlike his previous proposals, this one would not reduce the total number of immigrants allowed in. This might feel like a minor victory, but it drastically undercuts the far-right fantasy of shutting America’s borders. No wonder reactionaries like Ann Coulter see this as a sellout. White nationalists in particular see high-skilled immigrants as the greatest threat. What could be scarier to a white supremacist than thousands of immigrants who are better educated and more employable than he is?

    By proposing no immigration cuts, Mr. Trump has conceded the fundamental liberal premise that America needs immigrants. It is only a question of which immigrants are selected, and how.

    Of course, there is plenty to despise in the plan: the construction of a border wall, the silence on the fate of the Dreamers. Democrats must fight tooth and nail on these policies and propose more humane enforcement of immigration laws. But on the core premise of preferring highly skilled immigrants, Mr. Trump has a point.

    The trap for liberals is that we’ll overreact to what is essentially a moderate proposal. This would let Mr. Trump slap his name on the “merit-based” argument, one that most Americans would find reasonable. Mr. Trump would then own the center of the debate and be able to cast anyone to his left as too extreme.

    Liberals would have to explain why they don’t like highly skilled immigrants and would end up looking confused, while conservatives would get to play the role of mature border enforcers. Millions of migrants would be caught in the middle.

    Finally, an outright rejection by liberals would give Mr. Trump cover for more reactionary or extreme immigration measures down the line.

    Mr. Trump has cited my country, Canada, as a model for this kind of plan, and it’s true: Immigration has worked in Canada. Unlike in the United States, a vast majority of immigrants to Canada are evaluated on their skills and qualifications and whether those match the needs of the labor market.



    It’s an imperfect system — what policy isn’t? — but it is the reason Canadians are broadly content that their country has one of the highest rates of immigration in the world. The success of the merit-based system also permits the government to have the generous refugee and humanitarian policies that it does.

    My father migrated to Canada from Pakistan in the 1970s, under the first Prime Minister Trudeau. Like many immigrants, he walked in the snow to his first job and never lost the feeling that he was incredibly privileged to be living there. Whatever “merit” he may have possessed, it was the immigrant ethos of tenacity, discipline and resourcefulness that really mattered. One of the lessons he imparted to his children was that the law had allowed us to be here and we must always respect that law.
    Sajith Abeyawickrama, an anesthesiologist in his native Sri Lanka, immigrated to the United States in 2010. He was teaching medical exam prep in Newark in 2013.

    Canada’s success story is now under threat, as it faces its own migration crisis fueled by thousands of undocumented migrants crossing over from America. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has begun tightening border security as the far right continues to exploit racial anxieties.

    When an immigration system becomes overburdened, even immigrants and their children can become pessimistic. I have heard Canadians of Hungarian, West Indian and Pakistani origin all express frustration that more recent arrivals have jumped the line. Part of this is the very human tendency of immigrants to pull up the drawbridge after they have crossed over. Part of it is a sincere belief that the integrity of the system that brought them here should not be corrupted.

    In the United States, the vicious cycle of unlawful migration and heightened xenophobia has been going on for decades. It’s what led to Mr. Trump’s election in 2016, and if Democrats cannot propose reasonable alternatives on immigration, they will lose again. No amount of multicultural sloganeering will assuage Americans’ concerns that the system is broken.

    Liberals will have to propose a workable path to citizenship for the roughly 20 million undocumented migrants in the United States. They will have to propose reforms to the ruthless immigration enforcement regime that puts children into cages. Immigration courts, understaffed and with large backlogs of pending cases, will have to be funded. And liberals must keep fighting every inch of Mr. Trump’s border wall.

    At the same time, the left would be wise to reset this toxic debate by agreeing to focus on highly skilled immigrants. Every immigration policy is bound to penalize and offend some people while rewarding others. But reframing the conversation in terms of merit calls Mr. Trump’s bluff. It turns the immigration issue into an argument that liberals can win. It combines compassion with common sense, which is what Americans on both the left and the right want.

    America is not just a country; it’s a world. What the United States has achieved as a continental, multiracial, constitutional democracy of around 330 million diverse citizens is unprecedented in world history. It is easy to forget just how recent — and how radical — this social experiment is, and how fragile it has become. Preserving the idea of America as a nation of immigrants requires more than just compassion. It requires persuasion.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/17/o...migration.html
    fuck you


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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    fuck you


    elections have consequences
    LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    Did you actually read that crap?

    I didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TTQ64 View Post
    *SIGH*...….WTF is real jobs? Why do you support slavery by not wanting to raise the minimum wage? You think that's a losing issue for the dems? That's the dumbest shit ever. Please continue to vote for republicans because the dems will fight for increasing the minimum wage.

    The dems will lose their base if they take on the racist white man lie of not raising the minimum wage. Corporations don't pay taxes and now you don't want them to pay a decent wage............SMH......….We can not let the racist republcians dictate our agenda. They won't vote for us anyway. I've always giving you the side eye especially when you suggested chris christy for president. Shows your lack of character.
    Ppl want more, better jobs, higher paying jobs, not just a mini wage..... Maybe that is what you want

    & yet you seem to be the only one that seems to remember that....

    Sad dear lady, as it never happened, never crossed my mine.........
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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