Greenland Has Been Cooling In Recent Years – 26 Of Its 47 Largest Glaciers Now Stable

[Legion]

It seems there isn't a single person willing to actually read the science article and discuss its contents. Certainly not Legion, who implies there is only one cause for global warming and then tries to deny he did just that. Let me know when you have read the article, Legion, and then we can try to discuss it. For instance we could discuss how surface heat helped cool the ocean around Greenland by affecting convective mixing and buoyancy.

I don't see any evidence that I allegedly "implied" anything. What I did see is evidence that Y O U attempted to characterize a question as a conclusion.

It seems that warming is changing the ocean currents around Greenland.

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Meanwhile global warming is hitting Lebanon in a big way!!


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The Arctic? No, the eastern coast of the Mediterranean - Lebanon. Bcharre-Ainata El Arez road on Mt Makmel in the north of Lebanon and 10 metres of snow there. May 19th.

Report: Lebanon Weather Forecast

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NASA GISS use a single temperature station to represent up to 1200 kilometres of Arctic wilderness, then employs climate models to help fill in the blanks, this process known as in-filling is highly dubious to say the least.

The sudden thickening of the Jakobshavn glacier has taken climate scientists completely by surprise and they are desperate to find an explanation. In the 2000s, Jakobshavn Isbrae was the fastest flowing ice stream in Greenland travelling up to 17km a year. This has now spectacularly stopped and indeed reversed. Is it due to the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation or is there another cause?

[Poor Richard Saunders]

But it was one in the paper Y O U cited.

Really? Are you sure?

Yet you invested your entire argument on it, didn't you?

Not at all. You hare investing your entire argument on it since you haven't read the paper. The paper states that warming is part of the reason for the cooling of the oceans.

Is that so? It seems you don't understand that calling it a "statement" instead of a question (which the article poses) is disingenuous at best.

What question do you think the the article poses? Since you haven't read the paper, you are arguing something that you know nothing about.

You have no idea what I have or haven't read. Clearly I have read your pitiful excuse for an argument.

It is clear you haven't read the paper otherwise you wouldn't be questioning whether warming was part of the cause of the ocean cooling around Greenland. My statements are supported by the paper you haven't read.

[Poor Richard Saunders]

I don't see any evidence that I allegedly "implied" anything.

Then perhaps you can give another reason for your comment about SUVs in 1850. It was clear what you were implying. I am open to other explanations such as "you forgot your meds today."

What I did see is evidence that Y O U attempted to characterize a question as a conclusion.

What question did I characterize as a solution?

The scientific paper lists several causes for the ocean cooling in the Jakobshavn fjord including the temperature change associated with each cause. Perhaps you should read the paper then you wouldn't make so many basic mistakes.

[Poor Richard Saunders]

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Meanwhile global warming is hitting Lebanon in a big way!!


2019_05_20_18_41_50-1.jpg

The Arctic? No, the eastern coast of the Mediterranean - Lebanon. Bcharre-Ainata El Arez road on Mt Makmel in the north of Lebanon and 10 metres of snow there. May 19th.

Report: Lebanon Weather Forecast

Local weather is hardly indicative of global temperature variations.

[Poor Richard Saunders]

The sudden thickening of the Jakobshavn glacier has taken climate scientists completely by surprise and they are desperate to find an explanation. In the 2000s, Jakobshavn Isbrae was the fastest flowing ice stream in Greenland travelling up to 17km a year. This has now spectacularly stopped and indeed reversed. Is it due to the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation or is there another cause?

Wow. You just make stuff up.

From the actual scientific paper in Nature-

Since 2013, the year of greatest
thinning, glacier speeds slowed while remaining above their
pre-1998 levels.

Observations in spring 2018 reveal a continuation of glacier deceleration
and thickening.

How can something that has been reversed still be decelerating?

According to the data in the paper the flow speed was about 4.5km/yr in 2018.

Despite the slowdown and thickening we report here, glacier
flow still exceeds the velocities of the early 1990s (Supplementary
Fig. 6), when the mass balance of the glacier was nearly in equilibrium45,
and continues to contribute to Greenland’s net ice mass loss.

The full paper can be found here:
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...al_ocean_cools

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Wow. You just make stuff up.

From the actual scientific paper in Nature-

How can something that has been reversed still be decelerating?

According to the data in the paper the flow speed was about 4.5km/yr in 2018.




The full paper can be found here:
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...al_ocean_cools

To clarify for you, the glacier was previously melting and receding. This has now stopped and it is again flowing towards the sea. Since the 1980s, waters have been growing warmer around Baffin Bay, where the glacier meets the sea. But, recent NASA data reveal that, in 2016, ocean currents grew colder. The seawater around the mouth of the glacier is now the coolest since the 1980s. NASA is attributing this to the NAO, only time will tell.

I suspect from the sarcastic nature of your posts that this is Stringy in a new guise. Please answer yes or no, else you will be ignored in future.

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Local weather is hardly indicative of global temperature variations.

It was predicted more than decade ago that ski resorts in North Lebanon would have to close due to global warming. Was that weather or climate change?

[Poor Richard Saunders]

To clarify for you, the glacier was previously melting and receding. This has now stopped and it is again flowing towards the sea.

This is from the paper -

For two decades, it exhibited
a persistent pattern of frontal retreat, flow acceleration and thin-
ning3–

The Jakobshavn glacier like all glaciers flows. When a glacier recedes it is that the front edge of the glacier is melting faster than the flow of the glacier. It is not that the glacier stops flowing. What was melting was the ice shelf of the glacier that extended into the fjord. The acceleration of that melt was caused by the increase in ocean temperature. When the ice shelf collapses it no longer holds the glacier back so the flow will often increase which is what happened. The Jakobshavn glacier was losing mass because the flow had accelerated in the 90's into the 00's. It is because of the increased flow that it was melting. It has now started to thicken because the flow has slowed.

Here is a simplistic explanation of glacier flow-
https://www.asf.alaska.edu/glacier-p...glaciers-move/

Since the 1980s, waters have been growing warmer around Baffin Bay, where the glacier meets the sea. But, recent NASA data reveal that, in 2016, ocean currents grew colder. The seawater around the mouth of the glacier is now the coolest since the 1980s. NASA is attributing this to the NAO, only time will tell.

The cooler waters reduced the rate of submarine melting.

I suspect from the sarcastic nature of your posts that this is Stringy in a new guise. Please answer yes or no, else you will be ignored in future.

I have no idea who Stringy is and I am certainly not him/her. The fact that you spout shit as if you know what you are talking about when you clearly don't leads me to think several people have pointed out your ignorance. Perhaps the fault is with you and not that everyone who disagrees with you is the same person. Perhaps you should read the actual science instead of just reading a headline and jumping to a conclusion that it agrees with your ill conceived ideas.

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This is from the paper -

The Jakobshavn glacier like all glaciers flows. When a glacier recedes it is that the front edge of the glacier is melting faster than the flow of the glacier. It is not that the glacier stops flowing. What was melting was the ice shelf of the glacier that extended into the fjord. The acceleration of that melt was caused by the increase in ocean temperature. When the ice shelf collapses it no longer holds the glacier back so the flow will often increase which is what happened. The Jakobshavn glacier was losing mass because the flow had accelerated in the 90's into the 00's. It is because of the increased flow that it was melting. It has now started to thicken because the flow has slowed.

Here is a simplistic explanation of glacier flow-
https://www.asf.alaska.edu/glacier-p...glaciers-move/




The cooler waters reduced the rate of submarine melting.

I have no idea who Stringy is and I am certainly not him/her. The fact that you spout shit as if you know what you are talking about when you clearly don't leads me to think several people have pointed out your ignorance. Perhaps the fault is with you and not that everyone who disagrees with you is the same person. Perhaps you should read the actual science instead of just reading a headline and jumping to a conclusion that it agrees with your ill conceived ideas.

Well there's certainly no shortage of sarcastic arseholes, you're just another in a long line, another for the ignore list.

[Legion]

Then perhaps you can give another reason for your comment about SUVs in 1850. It was clear what you were implying.

Perhaps you don't know what a question mark means. Is that it?

I suppose you think there were SUVs in 1850?

[Legion]

This is from the paper - The Jakobshavn glacier like all glaciers flows. When a glacier recedes it is that the front edge of the glacier is melting faster than the flow of the glacier. It is not that the glacier stops flowing. What was melting was the ice shelf of the glacier that extended into the fjord. The acceleration of that melt was caused by the increase in ocean temperature. When the ice shelf collapses it no longer holds the glacier back so the flow will often increase which is what happened. The Jakobshavn glacier was losing mass because the flow had accelerated in the 90's into the 00's. It is because of the increased flow that it was melting. It has now started to thicken because the flow has slowed.

On which page of the paper does that text appear?

[Poor Richard Saunders]

It was predicted more than decade ago that ski resorts in North Lebanon would have to close due to global warming. Was that weather or climate change?

The average yearly length of time that is cold enough for snow is climate. The ability for ski resorts to be a financial success is highly dependent on the length of the skiing season. Typically some seasons would be shorter than others based on normal variability but if the average length gets shorter over time at some point ski resorts would not be able to make enough money in those shortened seasons to stay open. It certainly doesn't mean it will no longer snow.

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Well there's certainly no shortage of sarcastic arseholes, you're just another in a long line, another for the ignore list.

Good for you. Running away from facts seems to be all you can do.