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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    For your own continued ability to post, Earl, it's a rule that may be enforced at any time.
    Making lots of posts this morning correcting Jarod.

    All my posts now have links. Only missed one and corrected it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    I believe it is, Legion.

    Jarod- "Easy... illegals don’t vote."
    BRAD seems to be too busy to explain the apparent disparity. Perhaps additional breakfasts required his culinary skills, or several more inoperative lighting appliances were discoverd.

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    I want LOVE spread across our world.
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    18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally
    44 U.S.C. 2202 - The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records; and such records shall be administered in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.


    LOCK HIM UP!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    Making lots of posts this morning correcting Jarod.

    All my posts now have links. Only missed one and corrected it.
    Rana only needs one, Earl. Rules are rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad View Post
    I want LOVE spread across our world.
    So you've said.

    Relevance, Counselor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneOx View Post
    How is it racist to want every ethnic group to have a homeland?
    It's not.

    It does seem racist to want to exclude people of a different race than your own from the United States of America, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    Changed your post, didn't you?

    "Easy... illegals don’t vote." Jarod
    BRAD didn't change his post, Earl. He contradicted the first one in a later post.

    Both are unverified opinions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    They also vote in significant numbers.
    Can you substantiate that assertion, Earl?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    BRAD has stated for the record that "illegals don't vote', and that "illegals do not vote in any significant numbers."

    These apparently contradictory statements remain unsubstantiated by any factual evidence.
    Indeed, illegals vote and in significant numbers.

    "Poll: 13% of Illegal Aliens ADMIT They Vote—2015 Report
    January 26, 2017 By Stephen Frank 10 Comments

    In the June 3, 2015 edition of the California Political News and Views, we posted an article about voter fraud and illegal aliens voting. This was done at the time because the integrity of the electoral process is key to a democracy and a republic. Now thanks to President Trump, vote fraud has become a front page story and concern. For years, groups like the Election Integrity Project have provided documentation about fraud, corruption and wholesale voting by illegal aliens to government agencies—and the reports where trashed, forgotten or laughed at. Readers of the CPNV are concerned about free, open and honest elections.

    As we always knew, California and American elections are filled with fraud and corruption. Thanks to a poll released in 2015, we now know that approximately 13% of illegal aliens vote. Since they are already criminals, stealing ID’s or using phony ID’s. lie to get welfare, steal jobs—why not vote as they have nothing to lose. Since they can not be deported or jailed, they don’t care if they violate yet another American law. Obama is protecting these law breakers.

    Could this be why real citizens don’t vote—the illegal aliens outvote them? Worse, in close elections illegal aliens can make the difference. Corruption? Look at the ballot box. In fact, they could have elected a President and Senator!

    “Since 80 percent of noncitizens vote Democratic, according to the study, non citizen participation could have “been large enough to change meaningful election outcomes including Electoral College votes [in North Carolina in 2008], and Congressional elections” such as the 2008 race in Minnesota in which Al Franken was elected to

    the U.S. Senate, giving “Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote” to pass Obamacare. The Old Dominion/George Mason study was sharply attacked by progressive critics, but the mounting evidence makes clear this is a real problem.”

    http://www.capoliticalreview.com/cap...e-2015-report/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    BRAD didn't change his post, Earl. He contradicted the first one in a later post.

    Both are unverified opinions.



    Can you substantiate that assertion, Earl?
    I just did, Legion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    BRAD didn't change his post, Earl. He contradicted the first one in a later post.

    Both are unverified opinions.



    Can you substantiate that assertion, Earl?
    I believe that would be changing the spirit of his first post. Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad View Post
    Illegals do not vote in any significant numbers.
    Where is the data to support this modified opinion of yours, BRAD?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    I believe that would be changing the spirit of his first post. Lol
    It appears that he has reconsidered the validity of his opinion, Earl.

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    "Noncitizens, Voting Violations and U.S. Elections

    November 2016 | View the Full Report (PDF)

    The United States sends election monitors around the world to help discourage fraudulent balloting. But, here at home, it has largely turned a blind eye to the possibility that fraudulent voting by noncitizens could influence the outcome of an election. Our voter registration system is susceptible to abuse by noncitizens.

    In addition, noncitizens and illegal aliens are counted when apportioning congressional districts and when allocating state electors under the Electoral College. This means noncitizens play a role in determining how many congressional representatives a state has and exert an indirect influence on presidential elections.
    U.S. Elections Are Vulnerable to Noncitizen Voting Fraud

    Mass immigration has had a significant effect on American electoral politics. Despite the fact that it is a crime for aliens to vote in federal elections, noncitizens and illegal aliens are counted when apportioning congressional districts. 1 This means that areas with large numbers of illegal alien residents gain additional representatives in Congress.

    In addition, there is evidence that both foreign nationals who are lawfully present in the United States and illegal aliens have voted in recent elections. During this election cycle, noncitizens have been discovered on voter registration rolls in both Virginia and Pennsylvania. 2 And the Office of the U.S. Attorney for the Western District of New York recently announced that it charged a Canadian woman with making a false claim to citizenship after she registered and voted in more than 20 elections.3

    Several past elections – for the presidency and other offices – have been extremely close. Accordingly, ballots cast by noncitizen voters have the potential to improperly alter the outcome of elections. Consider how close the 2000 presidential election was. Could the outcome have been affected by noncitizen voting? The answer is yes.

    With the 2016 election fast approaching, and candidates publicly alleging that the system is rigged, the possibility exists that voting by noncitizens could significantly influence the results. Many immigrants' rights groups contend that noncitizen voting constitutes a harmless misunderstanding of the rules and should not cause great concern. However, this approach undermines the rule of law. It also enables individuals whose interests may not coincide with those of the American people to exert influence on our domestic politics. Given the rate at which both the legal and illegal alien populations have been allowed to grow, the United States should be concerned with ensuring that the electoral power of U.S. citizens is not undermined and with protecting the United States from foreign influence through “diaspora diplomacy.”
    Noncitizen Voting Is Illegal

    Elections in the United States are governed by a complicated mix of federal, state, and municipal election laws. As a rule, noncitizens are prohibited from voting and are subject to criminal penalties if they do.
    State Elections

    With very limited exceptions, noncitizen voting is illegal under the relevant statutes of all fifty states. 4 However, laws requiring voting registrants and voters to establish proof of citizenship have been repeatedly challenged in recent years. 5 The most frequent objections to these reasonable measures are that voter fraud is a “myth” and that voter ID requirements will unreasonably interfere with the right to vote. 6 However, these claims seem patently unreasonable given that there have been numerous reports of unlawful voting by aliens but no virtually no reports of voters being disenfranchised.7

    Marking a disturbing new trend, several municipalities in Maryland have begun allowing noncitizens to vote in town elections; and the City of Chicago now allows noncitizen voting in school advisory council elections.8 To date, no state has extended noncitizen voting beyond municipal elections. This, however, remains a major area of concern. State efforts to extend the franchise to noncitizens undermine the rule of law; blur the distinctions between citizens and noncitizens; and render U.S. elections susceptible to both fraud and foreign influence.
    Federal Elections

    The National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (NVRA) requires that persons registering to vote in federal elections affirm that they are United States Citizens. Failure to do so is a crime punishable under the following statutes:

    Pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 611, it is a crime – punishable by a fine and up to one year in prison – for an alien to vote in a federal election.
    Pursuant to 8 U.S.C. § 1227, any alien who has voted in violation of any Federal, State, or local constitutional provision, statute, ordinance, or regulation is deportable.
    Pursuant to 42 U.S.C. § 1973gg-10(2) any false statement concerning an applicant’s citizenship status that is made on a registration form submitted to election authorities is a crime.
    Pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 911 knowing and willful false assertions of United States citizenship in order to vote are punishable by up to three years in prison.
    Pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 1015(f) it is a criminal offense for an individual to make a false statement or claim that he or she is a citizen of the United States in order to register or to vote.

    Noncitizen Voting Is Easy

    The United States does not currently issue any general-use document intended to confirm both identity and citizenship. While a U.S. passport may be used for both these purposes, it is a travel document. Most people seek a passport when planning a trip and only a relatively small proportion of the population holds a passport at any given time. 9

    As a result, the preferred form of documentary identification in the United States is the drivers’ license. Drivers’ licenses are issued by the states, pursuant to a widely varying body of state-specific laws and regulations. Currently, twelve states and the District of Columbia allow illegal aliens to obtain a drivers’ license.

    Congress attempted to address these issues with the Real ID Act, enacted May 11 2005, which established standards for state-issued licenses and other identity documents – including verification of immigration status. However, only 24 states and territories are currently compliant.11 Many of the allegedly compliant states have continued issuing licenses and state ID cards to illegal aliens and short-term visitors.12 Others – such as Delaware Utah – have continued to issue “driving privilege cards” or other non-license documents.13

    The intentions behind the Real ID Act also continue to be thwarted by certain provisions of the NVRA. These provisions, known as the “Motor-Voter Law,” require state departments of motor vehicles to act as voter registration proxies. The information supplied by license applicants doubles as voter registration information and the registration process has become nearly automatic. Because so many states continue to issue driver’s licenses to noncitizens, it is relatively easy for aliens to commit voter fraud through the Motor-Voter system. When renewing a driver’s license by mail, they simply check the boxes indicating that they wish to be registered as voters and affirming that they are a U.S. citizen. Most often, they are added to the voter rolls without any attempt to verify the applicant’s citizenship.
    There Are Few Deterrents to Noncitizen Voting

    There have been a significant number of alien voter violations alleged in recent years. Yet, there appears to be a stunning lack of federal interest in this issue. The U.S. Election Assistance Commission published its last report on Election Crimes a decade ago in December 2006.14 This 23 page report mentioned noncitizen voting once, only to note that it had been addressed in media reports. The most recent version of the Department of Justice’s report Federal Prosecution of Election Offenses was issued in 2007.15 Ostensibly a manual addressing how the Justice Department handles federal election offenses it devotes only three and a half pages to noncitizen voting violations.

    Reports of alien voter prosecutions are difficult to find. The Heritage Foundation notes that as few as 300 cases involving voter fraud have been successfully prosecuted since 2010.16 Apart from the aforementioned case in the Western District of New York, voter prosecution cases do not appear to be a priority for the Justice Department. The same appears to be true for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). The ICE website lists a 2011 arrest of an illegal alien charged with voter fraud.17 No other election-related prosecutions appear to have been posted. A diligent search of the Internet will produce several accounts of state arrests for egregious instances of illegal voting but this is clearly not a prominent issue for state prosecutors.

    Federal and state lack of interest in election offenses is not an indication that noncitizen voting is a minor problem. It is only an indication that election authorities are failing to prosecute violators. Inattention to the phenomenon of noncitizen voting and a failure to impose effective penalties against those who cast votes fraudulently has rendered laws against such activity a paper tiger, without deterrent effect. If the problem is allowed to continue, it will inevitably lead to questions about whether the results of U.S. elections truly reflect the political inclinations of the American people.
    How Much Noncitizen Voting Is Going On?

    "There is widespread awareness that illegal immigration is a massive and growing problem in the United States. Estimates of the illegal population vary between 11 and 20 million. FAIR believes there are likely between 11 to 13 million illegal residents. In addition to the illegal aliens already in the country, the Census Bureau estimates that the illegal alien population is growing by a minimum of 500,000 per year.

    Combining the estimated numbers of both legal and illegal aliens, there appear to be at least 26 million non-U.S. citizens in the United States at any given time. The bulk of them are lawful permanent residents and illegal aliens (a total of 22 million). The balance consists of roughly 1.6 million tourists and other brief-stay visitors; and approximately 2.4 million long-term visa-holders, such as students and temporary workers.

    Many politicians are taking firm stances on issues affecting migrants, including amnesty, entitlements and sanctuary city policies. This gives noncitizens a significant incentive to register as voters and cast a ballot. For example, in East Chicago, Indiana, a city with 30,000 residents, voting fraud was so systemic in 2003 that the State Supreme Court ordered a new election with heightened verification. When unlawful voters were prohibited from casting a ballot the outcome of the election changed.18

    The problem is not unique to Indiana. A 2013 National Hispanic Survey study by Republican pollster John McLaughlin asked a sample of 800 likely Hispanic voters if they were American citizens. 13 percent admitted they were not.

    In 2014, a study released by a team of professors from Old Dominion University and George Mason University estimated that approximately 6.4 percent of noncitizens voted In the 2008 presidential election. They also surmised that 2.2 percent voted in the 2010 midterm election.20 In addition, the study estimated that 80 percent of noncitizens who appeared to have voted cast their ballots in favor of one party. Noncitizens are believed to have voted in these elections in numbers great enough to have affected the outcome.

    Nate Silver, an acclaimed statistician with the forecasting firm Five Thirty Eight, calculated that states with newly implemented voter ID laws will experience turnout decrease by as much as 2.4 percent of the registered voter population.21 Opponents of voter ID laws claim that any decreases in voter turnout are evidence that legal voters have been disenfranchised – discounting the possibility that the reductions are due to decreased participation by non-citizens. But, as Silver has noted, this argument doesn’t make sense because the vast majority of adults in America hold some form of photo identification and states with voter ID laws offer qualifying documentation at minimal or no cost. While it is impossible to prove that Silver’s entire 2.4 percent estimated turnout decrease is entirely attributable to noncitizen voters, it is highly likely that foreign nationals without authorization to vote will constitute the majority of this group. And Silver’s numbers are consistent with the results of other studies more specifically focused on reducing unlawful noncitizen voting.

    If we take the mean of these three estimates -- 7.25 percent -- and apply it to just the 22 million non-citizen residents currently in the United States, then approximately 1.6 million non-citizens vote every year. According to the high and low estimates here, that number could be as high as 2.9 million (at 13 percent of 22 million), or as low as 528,000 (2.4 percent of 22 million). Both are unacceptably high numbers.'

    A "significant problem." Indeed it is.

    https://www.fairus.org/issue/societa...d-us-elections

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    I just did, Legion.
    Indeed. I wonder which JPP liberal will be the first to assert that the source of the data is invalid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Indeed. I wonder which JPP liberal will be the first to assert that the source of the data is invalid.
    Since the goal of the radical Democrat Socialists is open borders and every illegal voting...

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