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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    I noticed a lot of times that it wasn't so much Obama's responses, but rather his lack of them. There was always an uneasy silence after a racially charged
    event, protest or march. He never seemed to take charge with any quick responses and/or any calls for peace or calm or a message of a simple "knock it off".
    He was able to say that to Putin, but couldn't manage to say it here especially when BLM was rampaging. Just an observation.
    Excellent point and observation.

    He thrived on discord and loved to sow it, imho. As a community agitator, that is all he knew. He was quick to side against the police ("they acted stupidly") sans any facts and sat silently while Black Lies Matters assassinated cops. There are so many examples of his race and hate baiting, I would bring down the server if I tried to list half of them.

    Put simply, the man was toxic for this country. He didn't get out of that office soon enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Life is Golden View Post
    Excellent point and observation.

    He thrived on discord and loved to sow it, imho. As a community agitator, that is all he knew. He was quick to side against the police ("they acted stupidly") sans any facts and sat silently while Black Lies Matters assassinated cops. There are so many examples of his race and hate baiting, I would bring down the server if I tried to list half of them.

    Put simply, the man was toxic for this country. He didn't get out of that office soon enough.
    Ahhhhh yes. Community agitator...I had forgotten. That was his sole resume. His calling. He loved that kind of stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    Fascinating article. Worth reading with an open mind. I am going to post it in it's entirety. https://spectator.us/racist-incidents-down-trump/

    Trump has made America less racist
    Anti-black and anti-Hispanic prejudice has declined since 2016, new study shows

    Ross Clark

    The election of Donald Trump has, of course, unleashed the latent racist which lurks within millions of Americans. We know this because enlightened opinion keeps telling us so. The New Yorker, for example, ran a piece in November 2016 declaring ‘Hate on rise since Trump’s election’, and quoting a list of incidents collected by the Southern Poverty Law Center – including the experience of a girl in Colorado who was allegedly told by a white man: ‘Now that Trump is president I am going to shoot you and all the blacks I can find’. TIME magazine, too, ran a story in the same month announcing ‘Racist incidents are up since Donald Trump’s election’. In March 2017 the Nation asserted ‘Donald Trump’s rise has coincided with an explosion in hate groups’, claiming that 100 racist organizations had been founded since Trump began his presidential campaign.

    And so it goes on. Just as with Britain’s vote for Brexit, Trump’s strident language and his concentration on issues such as migration is supposed to have coarsened political discourse – legitimizing racist and xenophobic opinions in people who might otherwise have been shamed into silence. By this narrative, even slightly immoderate speeches, posters and campaigns by politicians become magnified through the lens of public opinion into something much more sinister. A speech on migration, goes the theory, can all too easily erupt into bar room arguments and end with a Muslim or a black man having his head kicked in.

    It sounds vaguely plausible, but is it true? Not if a new paper by a pair of sociologists at the University of Pennsylvania is anything to go by. Daniel J. Hopkins and Samantha Washington set out to measure the effect of Trump’s election on anti-black and anti-Hispanic prejudice, using a randomly-selected panel of 2,500 Americans whose changing opinions have been under study since 2008. The academics report that they had been expecting to measure a rise in racist opinions, writing: ‘The normalization of prejudice or opinion leadership both lead us to expect that expressed prejudice may have increased in this period, especially among Republicans or Trump supporters’. They had been led to expect this, they say, through an extensive reading of recent literature in social sciences which, they say, supports the notion that racist attitudes lie dormant inside many people, waiting to be triggered by certain events – of which the election of Donald Trump might be one. There could, after all, hardly be anything more calculated to awaken an incipient racist than the president calling Mexicans a bunch of rapists.

    Yet the study found exactly the opposite. Americans, claim Hopkins and Washington, have actually become less inclined to express racist opinions since Donald Trump was elected. Anti-black prejudice, they found, declined by a statistically-insignificant degree between 2012 and 2016, when Trump was elected. But then after 2016 it took a sharp dive that was statistically significant. Moreover, contrary to their expectations, the fall was as evident among Republican voters as it was among Democrats. There was also a general fall in anti-Hispanic prejudice, too, although this was more evident among Democrat voters.

    It is a similar story to that in Britain, where the attempt to link Brexit with rising xenophobia has been somewhat debunked. A murder of a Polish man in the town of Harlow in August 2016 was widely attributed to Brexit – but eventually declared by police not to have been a hate crime at all. Similarly, a smashed window in a Spanish restaurant in South London on the night of the Brexit vote was initially widely reported to be an expression of euphoria on the part of xenophobes – but was later revealed to be an attempted burglary.

    So has Trump actually been a good thing for race relations in the US, and if so, why? The University of Pennsylvania study is a little shy on this point, but raises the theory that people have found Trump’s pronouncements on migrants, Mexicans and so on to be so reprehensible that it has inspired them to think about their own attitudes. It is possible, they write ‘that Trump’s rhetoric clarified anti-racist norms….given that the declines in prejudice appear concentrated in the period after Trump’s election, it seems quite plausible that it was not simply Trump’s rhetoric but also his accession to the presidency that pushed public opinion in the opposite direction’.

    Well, maybe. It might be added that the election of Barack Obama also caught liberal opinion unawares. That event, it might be recalled, was supposed to be the breakthrough which led to a kinder, gentler America. Instead it seemed to be followed by a more fractious period in race relations, culminating in race riots in Ferguson, Mo., in 2014. Maybe social science has got it the wrong way round: it was the sight of a mixed race man in the White House who brought out in the inner racist in Americans who are inclined towards those feelings, while the reassuring sight of white man back in the Oval Office has calmed them down.
    I'll see your study done by a "pair of sociologists" and raise it with survey from "Pew Research Center"

    https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2019...-america-2019/

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Fake News from a web site with a strong right-wing bias.

    Race relations have gotten worse, but that's not Trump's fault.
    You'd have us believe your partisan opinions instead of a research article lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    I'll see your study done by a "pair of sociologists" and raise it with survey from "Pew Research Center"

    https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2019...-america-2019/
    "Not surprisingly, assessments of Trump’s and Obama’s handling of race relations differ considerably along partisan lines."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Life is Golden View Post
    Excellent point and observation.

    He thrived on discord and loved to sow it, imho. As a community agitator, that is all he knew. He was quick to side against the police ("they acted stupidly") sans any facts and sat silently while Black Lies Matters assassinated cops. There are so many examples of his race and hate baiting, I would bring down the server if I tried to list half of them.

    Put simply, the man was toxic for this country. He didn't get out of that office soon enough.
    He had an opportunity to unite this country, as never before; but instead of thinking about the citizens of the US, he choose to focus on his political career and actually harmed race relations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    I'll see your study done by a "pair of sociologists" and raise it with survey from "Pew Research Center"

    https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2019...-america-2019/
    Fascinating. The three authors from Pew in your article only have researcher and assistant researcher associated with their names. Care to delve into that some more and report back here? Hopefully better than you did on that other thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USFREEDOM911 View Post
    He had an opportunity to unite this country, as never before; but instead of thinking about the citizens of the US, he choose to focus on his political career and actually harmed race relations.
    Yes, he set race relations back about 50 years. He should be ashamed of squandering such a huge opportunity but most of all, dividing the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Life is Golden View Post
    Yes, he set race relations back about 50 years. He should be ashamed of squandering such a huge opportunity but most of all, dividing the country.
    This is the part that way to many people won't acknowledge; because doing so, might mean they'll be labeled as a racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USFREEDOM911 View Post
    This is the part that way to many people won't acknowledge; because doing so, might mean they'll be labeled as a racist.

    Those who claim Trump is dividing the country think no one remembers the toxicity and divisiveness of the Obama reign of terror. He cornered the market on pitting one American against another.

    The man was filled with hate and sought to divide at EVERY opportunity. I don't even like mentally revisiting the nastiness he foisted on this nation. He was awful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Life is Golden View Post
    Yes, he set race relations back about 50 years. He should be ashamed of squandering such a huge opportunity but most of all, dividing the country.
    Division between race and gender is what Democrats thrive on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Soul View Post
    You'd have us believe your partisan opinions instead of a research article lol
    I'm not partisan. I don't buy into left-wing Fake News either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    I'm not partisan. I don't buy into left-wing Fake News either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    I noticed a lot of times that it wasn't so much Obama's responses, but rather his lack of them. There was always an uneasy silence after a racially charged
    event, protest or march. He never seemed to take charge with any quick responses and/or any calls for peace or calm or a message of a simple "knock it off".
    He was able to say that to Putin, but couldn't manage to say it here especially when BLM was rampaging. Just an observation.
    LOL! Really?

    Cite those instances. Don't be a bitch and run like you usually do. Step up and make your case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    I'm not partisan. I don't buy into left-wing Fake News either.
    ”You aren’t partisan.”

    Double lol.

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