Does Anyone Actually Want Joe Biden to Be President?

[PostmodernProphet]

I recommend you do run a socialist, because no demmycunt is ever going to get cooperation again.......ever.......

[Bill]

This video has a good breakdown of the changes over time.
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...roken-politics

Interesting video, but who exactly determines what is moderate & extreme?? I would think most folks wouldn't say their views are extreme..

[PostmodernProphet]

Blame Trump for giving them a reason.

Mueller concluded you idiots never had one......must suck to be dumber than the Republicans you hate......

[StoneByStone]

Interesting video, but who exactly determines what is moderate & extreme?? I would think most folks wouldn't say their views are extreme..

It's definitely subjective. At one point, women being allowed to vote was an extreme left-wing idea. What matters here is that part of the Republican shift to the Right is coinciding with their philosophy of winning at all costs. When the GOP was more moderate, by modern standards, someone as unhinged as Trump never would have been president.

[StoneByStone]

Mueller concluded you idiots never had one......must suck to be dumber than the Republicans you hate......

Actually, he showed that Trump lied about having business in Russia, that Don Jr had secret meetings with Russia, and that Russia hacked Hillary's e-mail after Trump publicly asked them to.

[Bill]

It's definitely subjective. At one point, women being allowed to vote was an extreme left-wing idea. What matters here is that part of the Republican shift to the Right is coinciding with their philosophy of winning at all costs. When the GOP was more moderate, by modern standards, someone as unhinged as Trump never would have been president.

It is coinciding w/ their base.

The democrats are not willing to win @ all costs??

I could be wrong but I think no matter who gets the nom, almost all dems will support her/him...

I do think the gop has changed, starting mostly w/ the bastard newt. Newt got the boot, but his hate lived on...

Anyway IMHO the dem party has also moved-TO THE RIGHT...

NAFTA as an example, was bitterly opposed by unions & many in the working class~Ross Perot's sucking sound was right on..

To make a long story short, look now @ his wife which lost a lot of working class focusing on things she was sure would solidify her victory.

Many in the working class didn't follow the script, & enough went w/ someone that wasn't taking them for granted, that was offering them something, promising (regardless of the merits)~politicians have a tendency to do that..

Is the dem party really for the lil working guy any more??

[StoneByStone]

It is coinciding w/ their base.

The democrats are not willing to win @ all costs??

I could be wrong but I think no matter who gets the nom, almost all dems will support her/him...

I do think the gop has changed, starting mostly w/ the bastard newt. Newt got the boot, but his hate lived on...

Anyway IMHO the dem party has also moved-TO THE RIGHT...

NAFTA as an example, was bitterly opposed by unions & many in the working class~Ross Perot's sucking sound was right on..

To make a long story short, look now @ his wife which lost a lot of working class focusing on things she was sure would solidify her victory.

Many in the working class didn't follow the script, & enough went w/ someone that wasn't taking them for granted, that was offering them something, promising (regardless of the merits)~politicians have a tendency to do that..

Is the dem party really for the lil working guy any more??

Neither party has every really been for the working-class, the DNC has just been less awful than the GOP.

As for if the DNC has always been all about winning and nothing else, well they have been willing to work with Republicans. They weren't trying to sabotage Bush like the GOP was with Obama.

[PostmodernProphet]

Actually, he showed that Trump lied about having business in Russia, that Don Jr had secret meetings with Russia, and that Russia hacked Hillary's e-mail after Trump publicly asked them to.

SEE?...if you weren't a demmycunt you wouldn't have to make shit like that up......

[Bill]

Neither party has every really been for the working-class, the DNC has just been less awful than the GOP.

As for if the DNC has always been all about winning and nothing else, well they have been willing to work with Republicans. They weren't trying to sabotage Bush like the GOP was with Obama.

No, the two corporate parties had their own agenda, but the dems allowed a few crumbs to fall from the table.... (weren't they referred to as the labor party-party of labor back in the 60's??)

Now they are offering higher minimum wages, welfare & the ppl want jobs, real jobs, jobs they can feed their families & their addictions,etc etc etc...

IMHO the dem party may be a notch or two "not as bad" but that isn't enough for me...... They are fully in bed w/ the super rich & advancing their~not our agenda..

They were willing, but oddly they are not now.... (I imagine someone in the gop would dispute that "were" but that is another topic..)

IMHO if the dem party does not focus on winning back the middle class/working class they are going to get their asses trumped again..

[Flash]

This video has a good breakdown of the changes over time.
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...roken-politics

I think the video basically represents what we have been saying--that both parties have become increasingly more ideologically extreme. Republicans measure 0.7 and emocrats -0.4 which is not that huge a difference on the Poole-Rosenthall score. Although the speaker and Ornstein are both liberals and have some bias, I think their assessment is very fair. I am very familiar with Ornstein and respect his work.

Nothing I said earlier was meant to defend Republicans, only to claim Democrats are equally as partisan. Whether we say one party is 0.11 more ideological extreme than the other is less significant that saying both parties use the same tactics and methods and are both responsible for our problems.

Actually, I think the public is to blame and the parties are just pandering to what the public wants (which is what our officials are supposed to do in a representative democracy).

[StoneByStone]

SEE?...if you weren't a demmycunt you wouldn't have to make shit like that up......

Sure, fam.

[StoneByStone]

I think the video basically represents what we have been saying--that both parties have become increasingly more ideologically extreme. Republicans measure 0.7 and emocrats -0.4 which is not that huge a difference on the Poole-Rosenthall score. Although the speaker and Ornstein are both liberals and have some bias, I think their assessment is very fair. I am very familiar with Ornstein and respect his work.

Nothing I said earlier was meant to defend Republicans, only to claim Democrats are equally as partisan. Whether we say one party is 0.11 more ideological extreme than the other is less significant that saying both parties use the same tactics and methods and are both responsible for our problems.

Actually, I think the public is to blame and the parties are just pandering to what the public wants (which is what our officials are supposed to do in a representative democracy).

I agree both parties are becoming more extreme, but the reason the DNC is going down that path is because they need to keep up with the GOP. Now this is no excuse, I'm not saying it's ok for the DNC to do this because "they started it." But realistically speaking, the DNC has to do this to maintain relevance. And the media allowed this to happen because instead of calling out the GOP, they simply said things like "both sides are at fault" and "congress needs to learn to work together." Maybe if the media was less concerned about seeming biased, and more concerned with honesty, this could have been prevented.

[Bill]

I think the video basically represents what we have been saying--that both parties have become increasingly more ideologically extreme. Republicans measure 0.7 and emocrats -0.4 which is not that huge a difference on the Poole-Rosenthall score. Although the speaker and Ornstein are both liberals and have some bias, I think their assessment is very fair. I am very familiar with Ornstein and respect his work.

Nothing I said earlier was meant to defend Republicans, only to claim Democrats are equally as partisan. Whether we say one party is 0.11 more ideological extreme than the other is less significant that saying both parties use the same tactics and methods and are both responsible for our problems.

Actually, I think the public is to blame and the parties are just pandering to what the public wants (which is what our officials are supposed to do in a representative democracy).

I think the actual disparity is higher, especially since trump...

I agree they are pandering to the public wants, but are ppl naturally prone to partisanship or have politicians & the media played a role in this??

[Flash]

I agree both parties are becoming more extreme, but the reason the DNC is going down that path is because they need to keep up with the GOP. Now this is no excuse, I'm not saying it's ok for the DNC to do this because "they started it." But realistically speaking, the DNC has to do this to maintain relevance. And the media allowed this to happen because instead of calling out the GOP, they simply said things like "both sides are at fault" and "congress needs to learn to work together." Maybe if the media was less concerned about seeming biased, and more concerned with honesty, this could have been prevented.

Sometimes Democrats did "start it" which meant Republicans had to retaliate and get worse and so on. For example, Democrats increased the filibuster under Bush and the Republicans retaliated and increased them even more under Obama. And, as pointed out in your video, using the nuclear option was a big step toward increasing conflict and partisanship and resulted in Republicans countering later.

If Democrats had to do what they did to keep up with Republicans we are saying it is successful--that means they will both keep doing it and blame it on the other. I don't see the media worrying about being biased--they would lose all their viewers who only want to hear negative stuff and have their views confirmed.

[Flash]

I think the actual disparity is higher, especially since trump...

I agree they are pandering to the public wants, but are ppl naturally prone to partisanship or have politicians & the media played a role in this??

I don't think a lot of it has anything to do with ideology--it is taking the opposite side as the other party and not letting them get any credit for anything they do. Certainly the Republicans are not following a conservative ideology with $1 trillion deficits, increasing government spending and protective tariffs.