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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    why would the writer use three distinct clauses to define rights of a single group? Why would the writer use three different phrases to define a single group?
    He saw the future. Trying to make it clear for "persons" like YOU.
    Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
    empathy for animal suffering can lack compassion for unborn children who experience lethal violence and excruciating
    pain in abortion.

    Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
    which has begun. To abort life is to end it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    "The Immigration and Nationality Act ('INA') authorizes the Attorney General to grant asylum if an alien is unable or unwilling to return to their country of origin because she has suffered past persecution or has a well-founded fear of future persecution on account of 'race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.'"[1]
    The United States is obliged to recognize valid claims for asylum under the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and its 1967 Protocol. As defined by these agreements, a refugee is a person who is outside their country of nationality (or place of habitual residence if stateless) who, owing to a fear of persecution on account of a protected ground, is unable or unwilling to avail himself of the protection of the state. Protected grounds include race, nationality, religion, political opinion and membership of a particular social group. The signatories to these agreements are further obliged not to return or "refoul" refugees to the place where they would face persecution.
    This commitment was codified and expanded with the passing of the Refugee Act of 1980 by the United States Congress. Besides reiterating the definitions of the 1951 Convention and its Protocol, the Refugee Act provided for the establishment of an Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) within the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) to help refugees begin their lives in the U.S. The structure and procedures evolved and by 2004, federal handling of refugee affairs was led by the Bureau of Population, Refugees and Migration (PRM) of the U.S. Department of State, working with the ORR at HHS. Asylum claims are mainly the responsibility of the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).
    It doesn't obligate anyone to do anything. If you weren't a low IQ lunatic and a partisan hack, you too could comprehend the OBVIOUS.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    They are reduced to arguing that “All Persons” was intended to mean only citizens.
    That is how it reads. So who is it that you think is not receiving their due process that is causing all this emotional angst for you?
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    Right All Persons who meet this criteria... (born or naturalized in...) are citizens.

    Not all people are citizens.
    This was addressed to persons who were citizens.
    Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
    empathy for animal suffering can lack compassion for unborn children who experience lethal violence and excruciating
    pain in abortion.

    Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
    which has begun. To abort life is to end it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    why would the writer use three distinct clauses to define rights of a single group? Why would the writer use three different phrases to define a single group?
    WHAT IS YOUR POINT and the cause of all your EMOTIONAL ANGST?
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    No it doesn’t. It doesn’t say ANY person has ALL the rights of a citizen but that ALL people have the right to due process of law and equal protection under the law.
    not what I read. stop beong dumb

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Who is not getting due process?
    Trump is suggesting that we should deport people without a hearing. That would be denying those people due process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    No it doesn’t. It doesn’t say ANY person has ALL the rights of a citizen but that ALL people have the right to due process of law and equal protection under the law.
    BAM, look at the brains on Mott!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Do you realize how triggered you sound. We are talking the 14th amendment are we not? Is Section 1325 in Title 8 of the United States Code in the Constitution?

    What is the point of your whiny outbursts and emotional babbling here? Did someone NOT receive due process?
    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Who is not getting due process?
    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    WHAT IS YOUR POINT and the cause of all your EMOTIONAL ANGST?
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


    A lie doesn't become the truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority.
    Author: Booker T. Washington



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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    This was addressed to persons who were citizens.
    Incorrect, keep trying!

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    "The Immigration and Nationality Act ('INA') authorizes the Attorney General to grant asylum if an alien is unable or unwilling to return to their country of origin because she has suffered past persecution or has a well-founded fear of future persecution on account of 'race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.'"[1]
    The United States is obliged to recognize valid claims for asylum under the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and its 1967 Protocol. As defined by these agreements, a refugee is a person who is outside their country of nationality (or place of habitual residence if stateless) who, owing to a fear of persecution on account of a protected ground, is unable or unwilling to avail himself of the protection of the state. Protected grounds include race, nationality, religion, political opinion and membership of a particular social group. The signatories to these agreements are further obliged not to return or "refoul" refugees to the place where they would face persecution.
    This commitment was codified and expanded with the passing of the Refugee Act of 1980 by the United States Congress. Besides reiterating the definitions of the 1951 Convention and its Protocol, the Refugee Act provided for the establishment of an Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) within the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) to help refugees begin their lives in the U.S. The structure and procedures evolved and by 2004, federal handling of refugee affairs was led by the Bureau of Population, Refugees and Migration (PRM) of the U.S. Department of State, working with the ORR at HHS. Asylum claims are mainly the responsibility of the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).






    hmmm lets see the actual laws of this nation

    or


    what some diarrhea pools on the internets say



    wow that was easy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    Incorrect, keep trying!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    Trump is suggesting that we should deport people without a hearing. That would be denying those people due process.
    Why do they need a hearing? How is that not giving them due process? Are you telling me that the minute someone steps onto American soil ILLEGALLY, they are automatically granted the right to an attorney and a court hearing? Why?

    The 14th was also called the "reconstruction amendment" Alternative Title: “Citizen rights not to be abridged” I still can't find ILLEGALS anywhere in there.
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    Illegals (non-citizens) have the right, by immigration law, to be arrested and deported.

    If they don't like this process, don't break our immigration laws.

    Stay in your own country, we determine who can and can not enter. Why? because it's our country, not theirs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    Is an "Illegal" a person, because if so, then an "Illegal" is included in the clear meaning of "ALL PEOPLE". Fucking idiot.
    Not what the 14th amendment was intended for snowflake. I know you want to scream and stomp your little feet in a fit of TDS anger; but the 14th had NOTHING to do with ILLEGALS having rights. NADA. Maybe if we say it a thousand more times, like we have over Russian collusion, you would finally start to actually comprehend the OBVIOUS.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Author: Booker T. Washington



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