Earl (05-17-2019)
Amendment 14, Section 1
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
SO....Lets look at this..
The 14th Amendment defines citizenship in the first sentence.
IN the second sentence, it guarantees rights to CITIZENS.
THEN... there is a semicolon. AFTER THE SEMICOLON, the 14th Amendment gives rights to ANY PERSON.
Read it, it is clear.
States are prohibited from taking from ALL PERSONS "Life, liberty, or property, without due process of law or deny ANY PERSON within its jurisdiction of the EQUAL PROTECTION of the laws.
Are you going to argue that ALL PERSONS and ANY PERSON means only Citizens? If you buy that silly argument, why did the writers of this Amendment separate the two categories with a semicolon?
Last edited by Jarod; 05-17-2019 at 09:07 AM.
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18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally
44 U.S.C. 2202 - The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records; and such records shall be administered in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.
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Earl (05-17-2019)
christiefan915 (05-17-2019), Mott the Hoople (05-17-2019), Phantasmal (05-17-2019), TTQ64 (05-17-2019)
it says all persons born or naturalized, dimwit.
Sailor (05-17-2019), Truth Detector (05-17-2019)
It makes clear that "persons" are the citizens.
A semicolon is used between two closely related independent clauses. Both clauses are RELATED. It's not introducing something DIFFERENT.
Example:
I washed my car; I still need to vacuum the inside.
The entire subject revolves around citizens.
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens....."
Only CITIZENS are subject to the jurisdiction thereof! This not about non-citizens wondering into our country.
You're welcome.
Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
empathy for animal suffering can lack compassion for unborn children who experience lethal violence and excruciating
pain in abortion.
Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
which has begun. To abort life is to end it.
Callinectes (05-17-2019), Earl (05-17-2019), Truth Detector (05-17-2019)
4,487
18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally
44 U.S.C. 2202 - The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records; and such records shall be administered in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.
LOCK HIM UP!
4,487
18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally
44 U.S.C. 2202 - The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records; and such records shall be administered in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.
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Earl (05-17-2019)
christiefan915 (05-17-2019)
Well, no, it doesn’t.
Stretch (05-17-2019), Truth Detector (05-17-2019)
Simply untrue, otherwise the writer would not offer new words. The Clear meaning of ALL PERSONS is not Citizens. The clauses are related but it separates rights given to Citizens from those given to ALL PERSONS, otherwise why separate them. The only difference is what class of people get the rights, otherwise it would have simply listed the rights in a single clause.
4,487
18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally
44 U.S.C. 2202 - The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records; and such records shall be administered in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.
LOCK HIM UP!
4,487
18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally
44 U.S.C. 2202 - The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records; and such records shall be administered in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.
LOCK HIM UP!
Rune (05-17-2019)
Why did the author separate rights given to Citizens from those given to ALL PERSONS if your silly claim that Citizens = ALL PERSONS is true?
4,487
18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally
44 U.S.C. 2202 - The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records; and such records shall be administered in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.
LOCK HIM UP!
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I just explained it. A semicolon does not mean "but" (and then changes the subject to something opposite). It's all one continuing thought and declaration.
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens..."
Therefore, CITIZENS ARE THEREAFTER REFERRED TO AS PERSONS.
Got it?
Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
empathy for animal suffering can lack compassion for unborn children who experience lethal violence and excruciating
pain in abortion.
Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
which has begun. To abort life is to end it.
Truth Detector (05-17-2019)
Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
empathy for animal suffering can lack compassion for unborn children who experience lethal violence and excruciating
pain in abortion.
Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
which has begun. To abort life is to end it.
Truth Detector (05-17-2019)
Trump rewrite: Bat out a tail light, yank them out of the car, smash their heads on the hood, toss in some cocaine you stole
from the evidence locker and book 'em Danno.
Then using your explanation this phrase... "nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"... can be interpreted as the state can deprive any person who is not a citizen of life, liberty or property without due process of law.
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Jarod (05-17-2019)
cancel2 2022 (05-17-2019)
GayRod, why was this Amendment passed? Who was this Amendment directed towards?
Do you know the history of the Amendment GayRod? Are you going to say the history doesn't matter? Are you going to say that the context under which this was written doesn't matter?
It's OK if you want to say that GayRod. I just want you to go on record doing so
Stretch (05-17-2019), Truth Detector (05-17-2019), Wolverine (05-17-2019)
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