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    Default Question for our gun enthusiast friends.

    If banning guns is pointless because people can just get guns on the black market, is banning abortion also pointless?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    If banning guns is pointless because people can just get guns on the black market, is banning abortion also pointless?
    No
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    Banning guns is unconstitutional. Not pointless. Attempted bans fail because there is no consequence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    If banning guns is pointless because people can just get guns on the black market, is banning abortion also pointless?
    Banning guns is not pointless because people can obtain guns illegally, THEY DO THAT ALREADY......they are called felons who do not have the right to access this tool, just like a thief does not have a right to carry a set of lock pick tools on his person. Banning guns is pointless because its a guaranteed Constitutional right in this constitutional republic. The better false premise would be why not ban the tool called an automobile that kills more humans each year than the evil gun....and some of these deaths are classified as homicides. What's the difference....both are tools, inanimate objects that has to be activated and controlled by a human mind. If you are going to give a tool the traits of a personality why not give these same traits to an automobile?

    Another inconvenient fact? Do you know how many lawful gun owners KILL PEOPLE with guns each year? And out of all those gun deaths the great majority (added to some left wing stats) are the result of self inflicted deaths via guns.

    As far as abortion goes.....since when is it acceptable to compare the taking of a life on demand through aborting that life before gestation is complete with a Constitutional Right that is actually spelled out in a verbatim manner? Just show us the portion of the constitution that addresses the right of a female to abort her child. (its not there, that's what scares the shit of these death dealers.....it came about via court legislation not represented legislation.....and it can be reversed via the same manner....the sound of a judges gavel)

    It does not exist, therefore according to the 10th article found in the States Bill of Rights..i.e., the 10th amendment......that decision can be addressed by the citizens of each state as the language not found in the constitution belongs to THE PEOPLE/STATES.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Banning guns is unconstitutional. Not pointless. Attempted bans fail because there is no consequence.
    Banning abortion is also unconstitutional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Banning abortion is also unconstitutional.
    I guess we will see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    I guess we will see.
    Yes, maybe so. I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that the SCt. will deny certiorari and let the appeals court(s)' ruling that GA and AL's new laws are unconstitutional stand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph View Post
    Banning guns is not pointless because people can obtain guns illegally, THEY DO THAT ALREADY......they are called felons who do not have the right to access this tool, just like a thief does not have a right to carry a set of lock pick tools on his person. Banning guns is pointless because its a guaranteed Constitutional right in this constitutional republic. The better false premise would be why not ban the tool called an automobile that kills more humans each year than the evil gun....and some of these deaths are classified as homicides. What's the difference....both are tools, inanimate objects that has to be activated and controlled by a human mind. If you are going to give a tool the traits of a personality why not give these same traits to an automobile?

    Another inconvenient fact? Do you know how many lawful gun owners KILL PEOPLE with guns each year? And out of all those gun deaths the great majority (added to some left wing stats) are the result of self inflicted deaths via guns.

    As far as abortion goes.....since when is it acceptable to compare the taking of a life on demand through aborting that life before gestation is complete with a Constitutional Right that is actually spelled out in a verbatim manner? Just show us the portion of the constitution that addresses the right of a female to abort her child. (its not there, that's what scares the shit of these death dealers.....it came about via court legislation not represented legislation.....and it can be reversed via the same manner....the sound of a judges gavel)

    It does not exist, therefore according to the 10th article found in the States Bill of Rights..i.e., the 10th amendment......that decision can be addressed by the citizens of each state as the language not found in the constitution belongs to THE PEOPLE/STATES.
    Not the point. If people can obtain guns illegally, that means they can also get abortions illegally, correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Banning abortion is also unconstitutional.
    Does it really matter? The government can just ignore that piece of paper if they want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Banning abortion is also unconstitutional.
    Until its not....via the same method, OPINION. Anything that can become law via the sound of a Judges gavel can be rescinded in the same manner, as these opinions are not acts of legislated law that were represented into existence. Lefts see where SCIENCE and DNA takes us along the facts of determining when human life actually begins instead of basing an opinion upon some draconian antiquated decision made during a time when that technology did not exist. Hint. DNA is used everyday in the courtrooms across America to determine CHILD SUPPORT parental declarations Often this science is used before birth to establish parenthood. Now its time for SCIENCE to take the stand in defense of life....not emotion. Question? Just why do the courts decide to charge anyone that kills a pregnant female with 2 deaths? Just a simple hypothetical question to ponder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph View Post
    Question? Just why do the courts decide to charge anyone that kills a pregnant female with 2 deaths? Just a simple hypothetical question to ponder.
    Because Americans don't understand science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph View Post
    Until its not....via the same method, OPINION. Anything that can become law via the sound of a Judges gavel can be rescinded in the same manner, as these opinions are not acts of legislated law that were represented into existence. Lefts see where SCIENCE and DNA takes us along the facts of determining when human life actually begins instead of basing an opinion upon some draconian antiquated decision made during a time when that technology did not exist. Hint. DNA is used everyday in the courtrooms across America to determine CHILD SUPPORT parental declarations Often this science is used before birth to establish parenthood. Now its time for SCIENCE to take the stand in defense of life....not emotion. Question? Just why do the courts decide to charge anyone that kills a pregnant female with 2 deaths? Just a simple hypothetical question to ponder.
    Good argument, let's use it on guns and see how you gunhumping idiots like that, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Because Americans don't understand science.
    Well, many of us do, but we are not elected ppl deciding life and death shit based on a 5000-yo collection of goat-herder myths.

    Excellent article. I'll link to it after the quote.

    " .... the issue is what that “heartbeat” actually is. “At six weeks, the embryo is forming what will eventually develop into mature systems. There’s an immature neurological system, and there’s a very immature cardiovascular system,” says Jennifer Kerns, an ob-gyn at UC San Francisco and director of research in obstetrics and gynecology at Zuckerberg San Francisco General Hospital. The rhythm specified in the six-week abortion bans, she says, “is a group of cells with electrical activity. That’s what the heartbeat is at that stage of gestation … We are in no way talking about any kind of cardiovascular system.”"

    https://www.wired.com/story/heartbea...ats-all-wrong/

    BTW, at this stage of development the fetus is less than half an inch long. As the article points out, the so-called "pro-life" (really, "forced-birthers") use the heartbeat to evoke emotion and give the impression that the fetus is somehow a baby at this point.


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