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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    The problem is that is not what you said.

    For that matter, what is the moral distinction between refugees fleeing communism, and refugees fleeing civil wars and drug lords?
    In the past, men HAVE been known to stay, fight a civil war, free their country and set up a democratic government with laws and enforce the law.
    Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
    empathy for animal suffering can lack compassion for unborn children who experience lethal violence and excruciating
    pain in abortion.

    Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
    which has begun. To abort life is to end it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    The ones fleeing communism are on the other side of the planet and not likely to ask us for help, so we can weep and commiserate for them all we like. It's the close-by, brown ones that we just be frightened of and build walls against.
    were are getting substantial number of Bangladeshi and Africans and Chinese as well as the mostly Cuban/central Americans

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    The ones fleeing communism are on the other side of the planet and not likely to ask us for help, so we can weep and commiserate for them all we like. It's the close-by, brown ones that we just be frightened of and build walls against.
    That totally makes sense!

    Now that Trump ass lickers have back tracked away from their original assertions that everyone coming here should have a job, a bank account, speak passable English, years worth of savings, et al. - it sounds like the are able to muster a little moral fortitude for accepting refugees .... if the refugees are the right skin tone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    its dead in the water
    Translation: we need the meatheads to vote us into power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    The problem is that is not what you said.

    Scholarship?
    Escaping communism?
    What's the problem?

    and

    I think a big merit would be that:

    -one would come to America with the ability to speak English,
    -open a bank account with a year's worth of potential living expenses already covered,
    -ability to pay for their own shelter,
    -proof of being gainfully employed and/or not living off of American taxpayers.

    That's the way it is in most other countries.


    ^^^That's exactly what I said^^^
    Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
    empathy for animal suffering can lack compassion for unborn children who experience lethal violence and excruciating
    pain in abortion.

    Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
    which has begun. To abort life is to end it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    In the past, men HAVE been known to stay, fight a civil war, free their country and set up a democratic government with laws and enforce the law.
    People could stay and fight communism too, so your point is completely without merit.

    Want to try again?

    What is the plausible reason and difference between your willing to accept refugees from communism, but not accept refugees fleeing civil war and murderous narco-traffickers??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Port Tack View Post
    No they don't. They can tell trump to get fucked for one more year and then take the senate and dump him and give those dreamers citizenship if they want to. Trump isn't stupid enough to start deporting them in the next year so who gives a shit if DACA is addressed before then. As a matter of fact why even bother with immigration reform before the shithead is gone? We already have hundreds of fucking stupid things this asshole has done that need to be reversed, why add any more before then?
    OK Speaker Pelosi. whatever you refuse to do..
    why not just shut down Congress for all the legislation/reform you refuse to accomplish on anything?

    Go home and give back your salary - else wise nobody even knows if you are in session or not
    ( except for reading the Mueller report out loud)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    People could stay and fight communism too, so your point is completely without merit.

    Want to try again?

    What is the plausible reason and difference between your willing to accept refugees from communism, but not accept refugees fleeing civil war and murderous narco-traffickers??
    Try quit moving the goal posts.

    Communism forces people to remain in that country. If they manage to escape, take them in.
    Civil War is...does it have to be spelled out? We had one. Remember hearing about it?
    Lawlessness and drugs? We have that HERE. Stay and fight, change laws, become a cop, work to make changes.
    Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
    empathy for animal suffering can lack compassion for unborn children who experience lethal violence and excruciating
    pain in abortion.

    Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
    which has begun. To abort life is to end it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Life is Golden View Post
    Learn the language and assimilate. We ain't modeling our country and changing our language to suit illegals.
    All those dreamers who have been here their entire lives have already assimilated and speak our language. If that's what trump wants, they have it, how come he did not say they get to stay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    you really don't understand that was his position?
    The way it works is the Dems come back and say "well give you this if you give us that" -at least they would if they were dealing in good faith which the obviously are not
    No the way it works is fuck you , you get nothing and we will pitch you out and put someone in who will. That is how McConnell does things in the senate we are just following suit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    President Donald Trump on Thursday formally rolled out his proposal to overhaul the country's approach to immigration, saying the U.S. must prioritize younger and highly educated immigrants to "contribute more to our social safety net" and "restore the integrity of our broken asylum system."

    Trump also said the U.S. should crack down on asylum seekers, as migrant caravans continue to flow from Central America.



    Immigrants seeking U.S. citizenship legally should also be held to a strict, point-based merit standard, Trump said. Under his plan, the younger and more educated a person is, the more likely they are to have their applications approved. Points would also be added for having a "valuable skill, an offer of employment, an advanced education or a plan to create jobs."

    Immigrants would have to prove they're financially self-sufficient, learn English, and pass a civics exam prior to entry into the country.


    This plan would not change the overall number of immigrants allowed in the U.S. legally — only attempt to change the composition of immigration. It also wouldn't address the illegal immigration population currently in the United States, an issue Trump has controversially railed about for years.

    Also within his speech, Trump touched on the issue of security at the U.S.-Mexico border, saying the immigration proposal would ensure investment in technology that would "scan 100 percent of everything coming through." This would largely be funded, he said, by fees and revenue generated at the border
    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...policy-1329380
    Except he’s not. He’s betraying his working class supporters by permitting corporations to undermine our labor market by permitting skilled workers who will work for lower wages than their American counterparts to immigrate. They’re probably to dumb to figure that out.

    Families should always take priority over businesses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Except he’s not. He’s betraying his working class supporters by permitting corporations to undermine our labor market by permitting skilled workers who will work for lower wages than their American counterparts to immigrate. They’re probably to dumb to figure that out.

    Families should always take priority over businesses.
    so you prefer yet more unskilled labor to come in and drive down existing unskilled labor costs? (supply and demand)
    *And a great amount of these "family units"are just that -subsistence farmers and villagers*

    Skilled labor is in much more demand then unskilled
    and with automation driving out yet more and more unskilled jobs -where are these new migrant/unskilled labor
    going to get jobs?

    Our manufacturing base for ex. is increasingly high tech or skilled, while the assembly stuff like shoes
    goes to Vietnam and Indonesia

    Families should always take priority over businesses
    families would be about 1/3 of the slots instead of the current 2/3 - why give non-producers a 2/3 priority?
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    The radical Democrat Socialists in Congress have blood on their hands. The blood of Kate Steinle and thousands of others who have been raped, assaulted and murdered by the illegals (non-citizens) allowed into this country and shielded in their Democrat controlled sanctuary cities. All for their potential (and real votes).

    The radical Democrat Socialists in Congress put votes ahead of the security of the American people.

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    Does his proposal include the emigration system? Will he deport himself due to lack of merit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Port Tack View Post
    No the way it works is fuck you , you get nothing and we will pitch you out and put someone in who will. That is how McConnell does things in the senate we are just following suit.
    silly rabbit.
    Congress is always a bunch of prima donnas - but the current Dems have the added bonus of being addled in the head with TDS
    Once you say "Trump is illegitimate" it gives you card blanche to demonize Trump and not deal with the country's issues.
    Hopefully the voters are paying attention - Trump wants to deal, the Dems wanna do nothing

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