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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    Where does the Bible say same sex marriage is wrong?
    If by same sex marriage sex you refer to homosexuality and/or sodomy...

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10 — Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
    Romans 1:24-32 — Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
    Hard to miss what that is talking about.

    1 Timothy 1:8-11 — But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for fornicators, for sodomites, (***see below***) for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God which was committed to my trust.
    g0733. ἀρσενοκοίτης arsenokoitēs; from 730 and 2845; a sodomite: — abuser of (that defile) self with mankind. AV (2) - abuser of (one's) self with mankind 1, defile (one's) self with mankind 1; one who lies with a male as with a female, sodomite, homosexual

    Where does the Bible say churches should discriminate against homosexuals?
    The same place it deals with any sin. It is not a matter of discrimination. It is a matter of making a righteous judgment then working for the change of the sinner. It is no different than when folks shack up or are drunkards or whatever. The job of the Christian is to get them to Repent (Change From their sinful ways and turn to God’s way) and if they do not then disfellowship is in order....the purpose of which is to get them to ... repent. (1 Cor. 5:1-8)

    I will say that the above is how the Christian and the church is to deal with homosexuality...or any sin of a public nature. There is no biblical call for governmental discrimination. Those who have been here a long time know that I argued for civil unions giving homosexual couples inheritance and other rights. That said, I have also argued in favor of businesses reserving the right to refuse service to anyone. You know, cake makers and suppliers of cheap crafty goods and such.

    Trumps sins are outlined in the 10 Commandments. I can find that!
    I don’t disagree. More importantly they are also outlined in the New Testament, that which governs the life of true Christians today. I will never argue for the acceptance of Trump’s life as an example of how to be.

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    "Romans 1:24-32 — Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them."

    Do I read that correctly? If you knowingly approve of Donald Trump..... you are going to hell?
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    Quote Originally Posted by leaningright View Post
    If by same sex marriage sex you refer to homosexuality and/or sodomy...





    Hard to miss what that is talking about.



    g0733. ἀρσενοκοίτης arsenokoitēs; from 730 and 2845; a sodomite: — abuser of (that defile) self with mankind. AV (2) - abuser of (one's) self with mankind 1, defile (one's) self with mankind 1; one who lies with a male as with a female, sodomite, homosexual



    The same place it deals with any sin. It is not a matter of discrimination. It is a matter of making a righteous judgment then working for the change of the sinner. It is no different than when folks shack up or are drunkards or whatever. The job of the Christian is to get them to Repent (Change From their sinful ways and turn to God’s way) and if they do not then disfellowship is in order....the purpose of which is to get them to ... repent. (1 Cor. 5:1-8)

    I will say that the above is how the Christian and the church is to deal with homosexuality...or any sin of a public nature. There is no biblical call for governmental discrimination. Those who have been here a long time know that I argued for civil unions giving homosexual couples inheritance and other rights. That said, I have also argued in favor of businesses reserving the right to refuse service to anyone. You know, cake makers and suppliers of cheap crafty goods and such.



    I don’t disagree. More importantly they are also outlined in the New Testament, that which governs the life of true Christians today. I will never argue for the acceptance of Trump’s life as an example of how to be.
    You are an educated and intelligent man. Thank you for taking the time to enlighten me.

    Okay... so, the bible, in a round about way, calls homosexuality a sin. I do not see where it calls same sex marriage a sin. It is sure not as concrete about it as it is about adultery or pride-fullness or boasting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    You are an educated and intelligent man. Thank you for taking the time to enlighten me.
    It's not all that hard to read the bible.

    What's hard is deluding oneself into believing its contents are credible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leaningright View Post
    If by same sex marriage sex you refer to homosexuality and/or sodomy...





    Hard to miss what that is talking about.



    g0733. ἀρσενοκοίτης arsenokoitēs; from 730 and 2845; a sodomite: — abuser of (that defile) self with mankind. AV (2) - abuser of (one's) self with mankind 1, defile (one's) self with mankind 1; one who lies with a male as with a female, sodomite, homosexual



    The same place it deals with any sin. It is not a matter of discrimination. It is a matter of making a righteous judgment then working for the change of the sinner. It is no different than when folks shack up or are drunkards or whatever. The job of the Christian is to get them to Repent (Change From their sinful ways and turn to God’s way) and if they do not then disfellowship is in order....the purpose of which is to get them to ... repent. (1 Cor. 5:1-8)

    I will say that the above is how the Christian and the church is to deal with homosexuality...or any sin of a public nature. There is no biblical call for governmental discrimination. Those who have been here a long time know that I argued for civil unions giving homosexual couples inheritance and other rights. That said, I have also argued in favor of businesses reserving the right to refuse service to anyone. You know, cake makers and suppliers of cheap crafty goods and such.



    I don’t disagree. More importantly they are also outlined in the New Testament, that which governs the life of true Christians today. I will never argue for the acceptance of Trump’s life as an example of how to be.
    closet dweller, the poster doth protesteth too much ^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharacterAssassin View Post
    It's not all that hard to read the bible.

    What's hard is deluding oneself into believing its contents are credible.
    That is sort of the point of faith. You have to suspend disbelief to believe lots of things. In the world beyond natural (supernatural) you must do that. I am not an atheist, but I don't believe in organized religion, I dare to believe what I believe simply based on my own mind.

    Religion is not a faith, but a set of rules and historical norms that most people have been born into, a culture not spiritualism... so in my book I am a Christian culturally, not spiritually.

    I believe Jesus was the same, he abandoned the spiritualism of the religion he was born into and dared to accept what he knew to be true. Jesus was not religious, he was spiritual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    Oh, so now Leviticus is Valid again?

    Should we not be stoning Trump for adultry ?
    If he were not forgiven by Christ and a jew, yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    That is sort of the point of faith. You have to suspend disbelief to believe lots of things. In the world beyond natural (supernatural) you must do that. I am not an atheist, but I don't believe in organized religion, I dare to believe what I believe simply based on my own mind.

    Religion is not a faith, but a set of rules and historical norms that most people have been born into, a culture not spiritualism... so in my book I am a Christian culturally, not spiritually.

    I believe Jesus was the same, he abandoned the spiritualism of the religion he was born into and dared to accept what he knew to be true. Jesus was not religious, he was spiritual.
    I think it would be truer to say that he was moving that way - everyone back then accepted the 'God' idea automatically, but meant, I think, hugely different things by it, as we see with the Roman citizen Paul's easy acceptance of man-as-God. To me, the key point is that Jesus realised that the point about 'religion' was to make it real, in what we (or at least the Europeans amongst us) would call socialism, freeing us up at last to behave as we ought to one another instead of desperately trying to pile up the shekels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iolo View Post
    I think it would be truer to say that he was moving that way - everyone back then accepted the 'God' idea automatically, but meant, I think, hugely different things by it, as we see with the Roman citizen Paul's easy acceptance of man -as-God. To me, the key point is that Jesus realised that the point about 'religion' was to make it real, in what we (or at least the Europeans amongst us) would call socialism, freeing us up at last to behave as we ought to one another instead of desperately trying to pile up the shekels.
    Socialism is an economic unit, Nazi. It involves the control of goods and services of a country. It does not involve social interaction.

    Sit down and be quiet, you have no clue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    You are an educated and intelligent man. Thank you for taking the time to enlighten me.

    Okay... so, the bible, in a round about way, calls homosexuality a sin. I do not see where it calls same sex marriage a sin. It is sure not as concrete about it as it is about adultery or pride-fullness or boasting.
    You sound like you're gearing-up for a classic "chicken-or-the-egg" debate.

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    The class who created the Greek culture that influenced us almost as much as Christianity thought of homosexuality as hugely superior to marriage. Times vary. Marriage is what a society defines it as.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iolo View Post
    The class who created the Greek culture that influenced us almost as much as Christianity thought of homosexuality as hugely superior to marriage. Times vary. Marriage is what a society defines it as.
    The standard for morality and immorality is the Bible, Nazi.

    You have no clue.

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    The flaming faggot priest of this Methodist church means that only mentally ill lib nazis attend, so it shouldn't be the least bit surprising that a confirmation class in protest rejects membership after the denomination (pulled by non-Americans) retreats from the lib sodomite agenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CFM View Post
    God abhors homosexuality. I agree with Him. You don't.
    God abhors homosexuals (defined by those who engage in homosexual sex).

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