Maine votes out electoral college

[Althea]

Nobody is being denied access to contraception

One can merely pay cash.

Stop lying

Pay twice? You realize that insertion of an IUD is a surgical procedure

[Granule]

over the airwaves now

I can't wait for you dumbshits to lose a popular vote. lol

[Flash]

You're deflecting. Whereas it isn't (yet) illegal, what IS legal in these states it the ability for employers to deny access to contraceptives via insurance. Couple that with the closed PP clinics, and you have a situation where women are being denied access to the contraceptive choices that everyone should have.

For many, an IUD is preferable to pills, condoms, etc. There is absolutely no reason to deny this device, especially given that in the Hobby Lobby case, they invest in companies that manufacture these devices.

Or, at least, they didn't narrow the scope of the investments the mutual funds in their 401k's invest in when the SC gave them the right to deny contraception.

There is no logical reason why many people choose to do certain things as part of their religious beliefs, but it is still protected by the 1st Amendment. If specified groups can
use peyote, drink hallucinogenic hoasca tea, or cover up the "Live Free or Die" slogan on their NH license plate as part of their religious beliefs they are not required to justify those beliefs.

What Hobby Lobby chooses to allow its employees to invest in has no relevance to their religious beliefs from a constitutional perspective. If I refuse to say the pledge allegiance to the flag I don't have show my retirement account does not have mutual funds in companies that say the pledge every morning.

Hobby Lobby employee's investment choices should not be determined by the owners religious beliefs.

If insurance doe not cover contraceptives it does not deny women access to birth control--it just means somebody else does not have to pay for it.

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Pay twice? You realize that insertion of an IUD is a surgical procedure

You should try to be more informed.

Costs about $800. Same cost as an iPhone.

[jimmymccready]

The ELECTORAL COLLEGE is not under STATE JURISDICTION. Maine can do no such thing.

Leftidiots gobble up whatever BULLSHIT they are SPOONFED BY THEIR MASTERS, no matter HOW RIDICULOUS and/or ASININE....

Yeah, it is. Yeah, Maine can. Read your Constitution. Nineteen states have already done this

Maine Senate sends bill giving state's electoral votes to national ...
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/15/polit...ote/index.html
3 days ago - The Maine Senate voted 19-16 Tuesday to join the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, which would give all committed states' electoral votes to the winning popular vote candidate should the group accrue the 270 votes necessary for a majority.

[Ralph]

Yeah, it is. Yeah, Maine can. Read your Constitution. Nineteen states have already done this

Maine Senate sends bill giving state's electoral votes to national ...
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/15/polit...ote/index.html
3 days ago - The Maine Senate voted 19-16 Tuesday to join the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, which would give all committed states' electoral votes to the winning popular vote candidate should the group accrue the 270 votes necessary for a majority.

DUH...Homer. All STATES are guaranteed (Article 4, Section 4, Clause) to give their popular vote over to the Electoral College (a federal/national) body of voters (Republican Representation instead of popular vote nationally). What the state of Maine basically accomplished was going to the same format of "winner take all"......just like 49 other states. Its all bluster and "noise" as if the democrats in Maine have found a solution to their TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome)….because the left wing politicians of Maine are still pissed that Trump was awarded 1 singe EC vote due to their own format of counting the popular vote tallies.

Enlighten us? Just how is this new system of Maine going to change the EC format? There is nothing new.....It still takes a total of at least 270 votes cast nationally to elect a POTUS. That's like California writing legislation to join NY...….and totaling their EC vote and casting them together.....DUH! Count them singularly or combined.....the TOTAL will never change.

[USFREEDOM911]

DUH...Homer. All STATES are guaranteed (Article 4, Section 4, Clause) to give their popular vote over to the Electoral College (a federal/national) body of voters (Republican Representation instead of popular vote nationally). What the state of Maine basically accomplished was going to the same format of "winner take all"......just like 49 other states. Its all bluster and "noise" as if the democrats in Maine have found a solution to their TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome)….because the left wing politicians of Maine are still pissed that Trump was awarded 1 singe EC vote due to their own format of counting the popular vote tallies.

Enlighten us? Just how is this new system of Maine going to change the EC format? There is nothing new.....It still takes a total of at least 270 votes cast nationally to elect a POTUS. That's like California writing legislation to join NY...….and totaling their EC vote and casting them together.....DUH! Count them singularly or combined.....the TOTAL will never change.

I wonder how many liberals know that there really no criteria, that requires the EC representative to vote for a specific candidate; unless it's been changed and I'm not aware of the change?

[jimmymccready]

Twenty states, mental Ralph, if Maine passes it, will have signed onto the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact.

The NPVIC is not unconstitutional. Your problem, mental, not mine.

[Ralph]

I wonder how many liberals know that there really no criteria, that requires the EC representative to vote for a specific candidate; unless it's been changed and I'm not aware of the change?

Indeed there is a documented history of there being over 150 "faithless" EC VOTERS. It depends upon whether or not you are a Pledged voter or an unpledged voter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unpledged_elector

Most EC voters are pledged to vote via party lines and are hand picked via political parties in their conventions. But there are instances where no pledge has been taken...thus an unpledged EC elector can never be considered UNFAITHFUL. But historically the EC vote has followed party lines and represented their constituents faithfully. There were exceptions in history where certain candidates were so hated that an entire 23 EC electorate refused to cast their votes for a certain candidate for POTUS. See State of Va. history.

[USFREEDOM911]

Indeed there is a documented history of there being over 150 "faithless" EC VOTERS. It depends upon whether or not you are a Pledged voter or an unpledged voter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unpledged_elector

Most EC voters are pledged to vote via party lines and are hand picked via political parties in their conventions. But there are instances where no pledge has been taken...thus an unpledged EC elector can never be considered UNFAITHFUL. But historically the EC vote has followed party lines and represented their constituents faithfully. There were exceptions in history where certain candidates were so hated that an entire 23 EC electorate refused to cast their votes for a certain candidate for POTUS. See State of Va. history.

Now add in that there is no legal remedy if a "pledged ED elector" votes differently then what they pledged to do.

[Althea]

You should try to be more informed.

Costs about $800. Same cost as an iPhone.

So what? Would you be happy about having to pay for your Viagra, after paying insurance premiums?

[Althea]

There is no logical reason why many people choose to do certain things as part of their religious beliefs, but it is still protected by the 1st Amendment. If specified groups can
use peyote, drink hallucinogenic hoasca tea, or cover up the "Live Free or Die" slogan on their NH license plate as part of their religious beliefs they are not required to justify those beliefs.

What Hobby Lobby chooses to allow its employees to invest in has no relevance to their religious beliefs from a constitutional perspective. If I refuse to say the pledge allegiance to the flag I don't have show my retirement account does not have mutual funds in companies that say the pledge every morning.

Hobby Lobby employee's investment choices should not be determined by the owners religious beliefs.

If insurance doe not cover contraceptives it does not deny women access to birth control--it just means somebody else does not have to pay for it.

If you are declaring that your religious beliefs forbid you from doing something, then those same beliefs should forbid you from investing in the very devices you claim that you don't believe in.

In essence, their religious beliefs aren't quite as strict as they claim.

[Althea]

You should try to be more informed.

Costs about $800. Same cost as an iPhone.

Back atcha...

Add the surgical cost:

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[Flash]

If you are declaring that your religious beliefs forbid you from doing something, then those same beliefs should forbid you from investing in the very devices you claim that you don't believe in.

In essence, their religious beliefs aren't quite as strict as they claim.

They don't have to be. The 1st Amendment freedom of religion allows you to believe anything you want even if you are the only person with those views.

And Hobby Lobby is not investing in those companies. They are among the mutual funds employees can choose from as part of their retirement account.

A person can have very strict religious beliefs but does not want to let those interfere with the investment choices of the employees.

[Flash]

So what? Would you be happy about having to pay for your Viagra, after paying insurance premiums?

If your insurance policy does not include Viagra you should expect to pay for it yourself. You are not paying twice. Same goes for birth control, maternity, etc.