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    Default drumpf may redefine poverty, cutting Americans from welfare rolls

    More Americans forced on to the streets, make America great again


    Justin Sink

    The Trump administration may alter the way it determines the national poverty threshold, putting Americans living on the margins at risk of losing access to welfare programs.

    The possible move would involve changing how inflation is calculated in the “official poverty measure,” the White House Office of Management and Budget said in a regulatory filing on Monday. The formula has been used for decades to determine whether people qualify for certain federal programs and benefits.

    The measure, first set in the 1960s, is calculated at three times the cost of a minimum food diet and adjusted every year as prices rise. In 2018, a family of four making no more than $25,900 was considered impoverished. The figure determines eligibility for a wide swath of federal, state, and non-profit programs, including Medicaid and food stamps.


    By changing the index the government uses to calculate how much the cost of living rises or falls, the poverty level could rise at a slower rate.

    One proposal the Office of Management and Budget suggested in the filing is to shift to so-called chained CPI, which regularly shows a slower pace of price gains than traditional measures. Chained CPI shows slower inflation growth because it assumes consumers will substitute less expensive items when prices for specific individual goods increase significantly.

    “Because of this, changes to the poverty thresholds, including how they are updated for inflation over time, may affect eligibility for programs that use the poverty guidelines,” OMB said in a notice published to the federal register.

    A spokesman for OMB did not return a request for comment.

    Read more: Lowest earners miss out as incomes and spending rise

    The possible change appears to be the latest effort by the Trump administration to make it harder to access welfare programs. Last year, President Donald Trump signed an executive order calling on federal agencies to more strictly enforce current work requirements for welfare recipients, and propose additional, more stringent requirements that could further reduce eligibility.

    “Millions of able-bodied, working-age adults continue to collect food stamps without working or even looking for work,” Trump said in December. “Our goal is to move these Americans from dependence to independence, and into a good-paying job and rewarding career.”

    This isn’t the first time a White House has considered using chained CPI to bring down the cost of government programs. President Barack Obama in 2014 proposed switching cost-of-living adjustments in Social Security and other retirement programs to the index. Congressional Democrats responded with an uproar, causing Obama to abandon the proposal in later budgets.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...IiJ?li=BBnbfcN
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    More Americans forced on to the streets, make America great again


    Justin Sink

    The Trump administration may alter the way it determines the national poverty threshold, putting Americans living on the margins at risk of losing access to welfare programs.

    The possible move would involve changing how inflation is calculated in the “official poverty measure,” the White House Office of Management and Budget said in a regulatory filing on Monday. The formula has been used for decades to determine whether people qualify for certain federal programs and benefits.

    The measure, first set in the 1960s, is calculated at three times the cost of a minimum food diet and adjusted every year as prices rise. In 2018, a family of four making no more than $25,900 was considered impoverished. The figure determines eligibility for a wide swath of federal, state, and non-profit programs, including Medicaid and food stamps.


    By changing the index the government uses to calculate how much the cost of living rises or falls, the poverty level could rise at a slower rate.

    One proposal the Office of Management and Budget suggested in the filing is to shift to so-called chained CPI, which regularly shows a slower pace of price gains than traditional measures. Chained CPI shows slower inflation growth because it assumes consumers will substitute less expensive items when prices for specific individual goods increase significantly.

    “Because of this, changes to the poverty thresholds, including how they are updated for inflation over time, may affect eligibility for programs that use the poverty guidelines,” OMB said in a notice published to the federal register.

    A spokesman for OMB did not return a request for comment.

    Read more: Lowest earners miss out as incomes and spending rise

    The possible change appears to be the latest effort by the Trump administration to make it harder to access welfare programs. Last year, President Donald Trump signed an executive order calling on federal agencies to more strictly enforce current work requirements for welfare recipients, and propose additional, more stringent requirements that could further reduce eligibility.

    “Millions of able-bodied, working-age adults continue to collect food stamps without working or even looking for work,” Trump said in December. “Our goal is to move these Americans from dependence to independence, and into a good-paying job and rewarding career.”

    This isn’t the first time a White House has considered using chained CPI to bring down the cost of government programs. President Barack Obama in 2014 proposed switching cost-of-living adjustments in Social Security and other retirement programs to the index. Congressional Democrats responded with an uproar, causing Obama to abandon the proposal in later budgets.

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    You damn "welfare leeches" have not seen real poverty. Where are all those people who have starved to death in this nation from a lack of anything? I find it amusing when some leftist declares a household that has almost 2 of everything....cars, phones, tv's, cell phones...bathrooms.....etc., as being IMPOVISHERED. Take a trip to some socialist/communist nation if you want to see real poverty. Go visit Cuba or Venezuela...N. Korea...etc.,

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    Screwing the poor is popular among the greedy rich.
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    No big deal. These things have always got to be revised.
    Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
    empathy for animal suffering can lack compassion for unborn children who experience lethal violence and excruciating
    pain in abortion.

    Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
    which has begun. To abort life is to end it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    No big deal. These things have always got to be revised.
    Maybe Shill Bill is afraid he won't be able to get a new i Phone, Ms. Stretch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pastor ralph View Post
    You damn "welfare leeches" have not seen real poverty. Where are all those people who have starved to death in this nation from a lack of anything? I find it amusing when some leftist declares a household that has almost 2 of everything....cars, phones, tv's, cell phones...bathrooms.....etc., as being IMPOVISHERED. Take a trip to some socialist/communist nation if you want to see real poverty. Go visit Cuba or Venezuela...N. Korea...etc.,
    straight from the lips of the almighty..

    Just reeks of compassion.
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    straight from the lips of the almighty..

    Just reeks of compassion.
    Been going on for decades.
    Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
    empathy for animal suffering can lack compassion for unborn children who experience lethal violence and excruciating
    pain in abortion.

    Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
    which has begun. To abort life is to end it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    More Americans forced on to the streets, make America great again
    Most Americans living on the streets are in BLUE Democratically controlled States in Cities thanks to THEIR policies snowflake.

    Turning people into dependent wards of the State is neither moral nor is it compassion. If anything, it is the exact opposite. Educating Americans to be self sufficient is compassionate and ethical.
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    Unless you just can't stand the idea of "ni**ers" teaching white kids.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Screwing the poor is popular among the greedy rich.
    That's a LIE and it is LAME; much like all of your moronic posts.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Just reeks of compassion.
    How is turning people into dependent wards of the state compassionate?
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    I see large numbers of homeless people on a daily basis and it is not a pleasant site. I have no desire to see more and am for the government helping our neediest. But as with all government programs the devil is in the details. Just because a program claims to help poor people it doesn’t mean that it necessarily does.

    There is value in work to one’s self. Promoting work for those who can is a good thing. Will be interesting to see more of the proposed changes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    More Americans forced on to the streets, make America great again


    Justin Sink

    The Trump administration may alter the way it determines the national poverty threshold, putting Americans living on the margins at risk of losing access to welfare programs.

    The possible move would involve changing how inflation is calculated in the “official poverty measure,” the White House Office of Management and Budget said in a regulatory filing on Monday. The formula has been used for decades to determine whether people qualify for certain federal programs and benefits.

    The measure, first set in the 1960s, is calculated at three times the cost of a minimum food diet and adjusted every year as prices rise. In 2018, a family of four making no more than $25,900 was considered impoverished. The figure determines eligibility for a wide swath of federal, state, and non-profit programs, including Medicaid and food stamps.


    By changing the index the government uses to calculate how much the cost of living rises or falls, the poverty level could rise at a slower rate.

    One proposal the Office of Management and Budget suggested in the filing is to shift to so-called chained CPI, which regularly shows a slower pace of price gains than traditional measures. Chained CPI shows slower inflation growth because it assumes consumers will substitute less expensive items when prices for specific individual goods increase significantly.

    “Because of this, changes to the poverty thresholds, including how they are updated for inflation over time, may affect eligibility for programs that use the poverty guidelines,” OMB said in a notice published to the federal register.

    A spokesman for OMB did not return a request for comment.

    Read more: Lowest earners miss out as incomes and spending rise

    The possible change appears to be the latest effort by the Trump administration to make it harder to access welfare programs. Last year, President Donald Trump signed an executive order calling on federal agencies to more strictly enforce current work requirements for welfare recipients, and propose additional, more stringent requirements that could further reduce eligibility.

    “Millions of able-bodied, working-age adults continue to collect food stamps without working or even looking for work,” Trump said in December. “Our goal is to move these Americans from dependence to independence, and into a good-paying job and rewarding career.”

    This isn’t the first time a White House has considered using chained CPI to bring down the cost of government programs. President Barack Obama in 2014 proposed switching cost-of-living adjustments in Social Security and other retirement programs to the index. Congressional Democrats responded with an uproar, causing Obama to abandon the proposal in later budgets.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...IiJ?li=BBnbfcN
    If only Obama had stood his ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    Been going on for decades.
    Probably has, but I hold out hope that posterior ralph can one day live up to his calling....
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    I see large numbers of homeless people on a daily basis and it is not a pleasant site. I have no desire to see more and am for the government helping our neediest. But as with all government programs the devil is in the details. Just because a program claims to help poor people it doesn’t mean that it necessarily does.

    There is value in work to one’s self. Promoting work for those who can is a good thing. Will be interesting to see more of the proposed changes
    I read recently that we now have 1/4 of the homeless in the country living in Calif..

    Over 50,000 in LA alone...
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    If only Obama had stood his ground.
    What ground is that?? This began long before Obama...
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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