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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    I'm not debating about a 'Spirit'. I think we all accept that the physical body dies and deteriorates. So the question becomes 'Do we have a 'Spirit' that survives the Death of the Body'. I, Jack, personally DON"T KNOW. I could SPECULATE, but that's all it would be. So, all I, Jack, know is that I'm here on the Planet. And, I, Jack, get to choose what I want to concentrate on, what I want to focus on, what I, Jack, want to do with THIS Life here, THIS Life now. I, Jack, right or wrong, have chosen to live THIS Life, here and now, seeking contentment, pleasure, and happiness.

    IF, ... If I have a 'Spirit' and it moves 'on', I, Jack, will confront the 'Next Reality' and deal with it as it is dealt out to me. If I'm a Dog, if I'm a Human, if I'm with 72 Virgins, if I'm in Hell with the Porn Stars, if I'm an exact replica of myself in a Parallel Universe, or if I'm in Heaven playing a Harp, ... I, Jack, will confront THAT Reality and decide MY best course of action AT THAT TIME.

    I would be a Lunatic trying to guess the Next Reality, THEN ... live THIS Life. ... in preparation for the NEXT Life. (Does that make sense?)
    yes it does



    I believe in science


    its backed up by observable facts


    the fact is this is why humans have managed to stay alive and prosper on this planet




    the fact that most humans are mostly good


    which allows ever growing masses if us to live cooperatively in relative peace



    treating each other as beings that matter


    Compassion, love and decency



    there is always the ones who are like saints



    and the ones who are complete rat bag bastards





    about 4% of people are sociopaths


    1 percent women


    and 3% are men



    If nature had not found its way to make us mostly good we would have died out long ago.




    LOVE baby



    without it mankind will cease to exist




    Love is utterly tied to mans intelligence


    without love and compassion mankind would not have developed a high intelligence



    YOU OWE YOUR EXISTANCE TO LOVE



    even you sociopaths


    you are just to cold and broken to realize that

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    Mindfullness
    a mental state achieved by focusing one's awareness on the present moment, while calmly acknowledging and accepting one's feelings, thoughts, and bodily sensations, used as a therapeutic technique.

    What are the benefits of mindfulness?
    https://www.helpguide.org/harvard/be...ndfulness.htm/

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    Mindfullness
    a mental state achieved by focusing one's awareness on the present moment, while calmly acknowledging and accepting one's feelings, thoughts, and bodily sensations, used as a therapeutic technique.

    What are the benefits of mindfulness?
    https://www.helpguide.org/harvard/be...ndfulness.htm/
    no human response huh

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    no human response huh
    it's all human. it's controlling your mind.
    meditation and breathing practices,aid you calmness to control the flood of data (constant stimulation).

    distract yourself, breath, use correct posture, think you are your own master..etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    it's all human. it's controlling your mind.
    meditation and breathing practices,aid you calmness to control the flood of data (constant stimulation).

    distract yourself, breath, use correct posture, think you are your own master..etc.
    you are a program


    you cant discuss real human things

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    yes it does



    I believe in science


    its backed up by observable facts


    the fact is this is why humans have managed to stay alive and prosper on this planet




    the fact that most humans are mostly good


    which allows ever growing masses if us to live cooperatively in relative peace



    treating each other as beings that matter


    Compassion, love and decency



    there is always the ones who are like saints



    and the ones who are complete rat bag bastards





    about 4% of people are sociopaths


    1 percent women


    and 3% are men



    If nature had not found its way to make us mostly good we would have died out long ago.




    LOVE baby



    without it mankind will cease to exist




    Love is utterly tied to mans intelligence


    without love and compassion mankind would not have developed a high intelligence



    YOU OWE YOUR EXISTANCE TO LOVE



    even you sociopaths


    you are just to cold and broken to realize that
    give me a real human response to this

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    it does coming from a hedonist - and I never make value judgments about religion or a lack of.
    Still you are aware of other possibilities and keep an open mind.
    For example you might want to live a "moral life" - and then the awareness comes into a practice
    anatta: "Still you are aware of other possibilities and keep an open mind."
    Jack: Yes, ENDLESS ... being the Key Word. (so 'speculating' is a waste of time)

    anatta: "For example you might want to live a "moral life" - and then the awareness comes into a practice
    Jack: 'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you' ... is a pretty old concept and accepted by most.

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    Bhaktajan: "Is this an ORIGINAL idea?"
    Jack: You'd have to ask Epicurus.

    "For Epicurus, the purpose of philosophy was to attain the happy, tranquil life, characterized by ataraxia—peace and freedom from fear— and aponia—the absence of pain— and by living a self-sufficient life surrounded by friends. He taught that the root of all human neurosis is death denial, and the tendency for human beings to assume that death will be horrific and painful, which he claimed causes unnecessary anxiety, selfish self-protective behaviors, and hypocrisy. According to Epicurus, death is the end of both the body and the soul and therefore should not be feared. Likewise, Epicurus taught that the gods, though they do exist, have no involvement in human affairs and do not punish or reward people for their actions. Nonetheless, he maintained that people should still behave ethically because amoral behavior will burden them with guilt and prevent them from attaining ataraxia."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicurus


    Quote Originally Posted by bhaktajan View Post
    discrimination of the self from matter.




    Is this an ORIGINAL idea?

    Is that called the Anthony Bourdain path?

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    As long as the material body exists, one has to meet the demands of the body,
    namely eating, sleeping, defending and mating.

    Extravagance in the matter of eating, sleeping, defending and mating—which are
    demands of the body—can block advancement in spiritual life.

    There are various grades of men, and out of many thousands, one may be sufficiently
    interested in transcendental realization to try to know what is the self, what is the body,
    and what is the Absolute Truth. Generally mankind is simply engaged in the animal
    propensities, namely eating, sleeping, defending and mating, and hardly anyone is
    interested in transcendental knowledge. The first six chapters of the Gītā are meant
    for those who are interested in transcendental knowledge, in understanding the self,
    the Superself and the process of realization by jñāna-yoga, dhyāna-yoga and
    discrimination of the self from matter.

    One who does not develop knowledge through the authorities or scriptural injunctions
    has knowledge that is limited to the body. He is not concerned about acting in terms
    of the directions of scripture. For him God is money, and knowledge means the
    satisfaction of bodily demands. Such knowledge has no connection with the
    Absolute Truth. It is more or less like the knowledge of the ordinary animals:
    the knowledge of eating, sleeping, defending and mating.

    Eating, sleeping, defending and mating are the four principles of material bodily
    demands
    which are common to both the animals and human society.
    to distinguish human society from the animals there is the performance of religious
    activities in terms of the social statuses and orders of life.

    XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

    "Buddha described the human mind as being filled with drunken monkeys,
    jumping around, screeching, chattering, carrying on endlessly. We all ..."


    "The Buddha coined the term 'kapacitta' to describe this restless,
    agitated, incessant movement of the mind. "

    Mind monkey or monkey mind, from Chinese xinyuan and Sino-Japanese shin'en 心猿
    [lit. "heart-/mind-monkey"], is a Buddhist term meaning "unsettled; restless;
    capricious; whimsical; fanciful; inconstant; confused; indecisive; uncontrollable".
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_monkey

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    anatta: "Still you are aware of other possibilities and keep an open mind."
    Jack: Yes, ENDLESS ... being the Key Word. (so 'speculating' is a waste of time)

    anatta: "For example you might want to live a "moral life" - and then the awareness comes into a practice
    Jack: 'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you' ... is a pretty old concept and accepted by most.
    a very good guide to interactive behavior, not so much for self behaviors

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    Is the non-Buddhists thinking that this talk of Buddhism is about living monastically?

    Here is the secular pop-references ...and they're oldies:

    Zen in the Art of Archery (Zen in der Kunst des Bogenschießens) is a book by German philosophy professor Eugen Herrigel, published in 1948, about his experiences studying Kyūdō, a form of Japanese archery, when he lived in Japan in the 1920s. It is credited with introducing Zen to Western audiences in the late 1940s and 1950s.

    he book sets forth theories about motor learning. Herrigel has an accepting spirit towards and about unconscious control of outer activity that Westerners heretofore considered to be wholly under conscious-waking control and direction. For example, a central idea in the book is how through years of practice, a physical activity becomes effortless both mentally and physically, as if our physical memory (today known as "muscle memory") executes complex and difficult movements without conscious control from the mind.
    Herrigel describes Zen in archery as follows:
    "(...) The archer ceases to be conscious of himself as the one who is engaged in hitting the bull's-eye which confronts him. This state of unconscious is realized only when, completely empty and rid of the self, he becomes one with the perfecting of his technical skill, though there is in it something of a quite different order which cannot be attained by any progressive study of the art (...)"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_in_the_Art_of_Archery


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    Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance:
    An Inquiry into Values (ZAMM), by Robert M. Pirsig,
    is a book that was first published in 1974.

    It is a work of fictionalized autobiography, and is the first of
    Pirsig's texts in which he explores his Metaphysics of Quality.
    The title is an apparent play on the title of the 1948 book
    Zen in the Art of Archery by Eugen Herrigel.

    In Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, Pirsig explores the meaning and concept of "quality"; a
    term he conceives as undefinable. Quality is a phenomenon that exists between the subject and the object.
    The perception of a painting, for example, requires both an observer and an object.

    His thesis is that to truly experience quality one must both embrace and apply it as best fits the
    requirements of the situation. According to Pirsig, such an approach would avoid a great
    deal of frustration and dissatisfaction common to modern life.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_an...le_Maintenance


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    Zen in the Art of Writing (1973) by Ray Bradbury

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_in_the_Art_of_Writing

    what it means to write and be a writer from the author of, most famously, Fahrenheit 451.

    It collects a number of Bradbury’s essays and poems written over a period of
    30 years and touches on why he became a writer, where he finds his ideas,
    the process of writing some of his books and, more generally, the joys of writing.

    And that's what's so refreshing – his playful and boisterous approach.
    He writes about the pleasures of writing, rather than treating it like a hard slog, and he never takes himself too seriously:

    Hot today, cool tomorrow. This afternoon, burn down the house. Tomorrow,
    pour cold critical water on the simmering coals. Time enough to think and cut and
    rewrite tomorrow. But today – explode – fly apart – disintegrate! The other six or
    seven drafts are going to be pure torture. So why not enjoy the first draft, in the hope that your joy will seek and find others in the world who, reading your story, will catch fire, too?

    But that’s not to say he doesn't have some wise words. Quite the opposite.
    he above quotation shows you don't have to be entirely serious to offer good writing advice.

    Here's a selection of his best bits.

    Bradbury's wisdom

    ‘if you are writing without zest, without gusto, without love, without fun, you are only half a writer […]

    For the first thing a writer should be is – excited. He should be a thing of fevers and enthusiasms.’
    ‘in order to convince your reader that he is there, you must assault each of his senses’
    ‘From an ever-roaming curiosity in all the arts, from bad radio to good theatre, from nursery rhyme to symphony, from jungle compound to Kafka’s Castle, there is basic excellence to be winnowed out, truths found, kept, savoured, and used on some later day.’

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    ‘By living well, by observing as you live, by reading well and observing as you read, you have fed Your Most Original Self.

    By training yourself in writing, by repetitious exercise, imitation, good example, you have made a clean, well-lighted place to keep the Muse […] through training, you have relaxed yourself enough not to stare discourteously when inspiration comes into the room.’
    ‘I came on the old and best ways of writing through ignorance and experiment […] I blundered into creativity’
    ‘I’ve tried to teach my writing friends that there are two arts: number one, getting a thing done;
    and then, the second great art is learning how to cut it so you don't kill it or hurt it in any way.

    When you start out life as a writer, you hate that job, but now that I’m older it’s turned into a wonderful game,
    and I love the challenge just as much as writing the original, because it’s a challenge. It’s an intellectual challenge to get a scalpel and cut the patient without killing.’
    ‘As soon as things get difficult, I walk away. That’s the great secret of creativity. You treat ideas like cats: you make them follow you.’
    ‘Quantity gives experience. From experience alone can quality come.’

    ‘His [the writer’s] greatest art will often be what he does not say, what he leaves out, his ability to state simply with clear emotion, the way he wants to go.’
    ‘Work, giving us experience, results in new confidence and eventually relaxation […] Suddenly, a natural rhythm is achieved. The body thinks for itself.’
    ‘if one works, one finally relaxes and stops thinking. True creation occurs then and only then.’
    Zen in the Art of Archery
    The last couple of quotations betray the main inspiration of the book: German professor Eugen Herrigel's Zen in the Art of Archery, which was responsible for bringing Zen to Europe after World War II.

    The chief lesson in both books is that if you practise something enough it becomes effortless and unconscious; you enter a flow state.

    You need to go to Zen for the answer to your problems. Zen, like all philosophies, followed but in the tracks of men who learned from instinct what was good for them. Every wood-turner, every sculptor worth his marble, and ballerina, practices what Zen preaches without having heard the word in all their lives.

    The verdict
    If you like Ray Bradbury's writing and you're looking to be inspired, this makes for an excellent read. He writes with an infectious energy that you can't help but catch, which is a welcome change from the grave tone of many 'how to' writing books.

    https://www.articulatemarketing.com/...writing-review

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    Quote Originally Posted by gomer View Post
    "mindfulness" is knowing who you are, where you are, and what time it is. if a person is wrong about any of these things; they are "unconscious". they know not who they are, where they are , and what time it is. the leftist gyro compass causes this death spiral to hell.
    Typical millennial, lost w/out his phone or apple watch.
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by gomer View Post
    "mindfulness" is knowing who you are, where you are, and what time it is. if a person is wrong about any of these things; they are "unconscious". they know not who they are, where they are , and what time it is. the leftist gyro compass causes this death spiral to hell.
    yes. but it's also tuning out the noise and staying focused, or tuning out the focus all together for a state of awakening thru meditation

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