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    8 Fold Nobel Path is the Way to end Samsara.
    Buddha was keen on not just philosophy, but TEACHING how to live an honorable life.
    Living for more then just temporal pleasure grows the mind to understand life is much more then pleasure seeking

    we are here for a purpose,
    a chance to end cyclical re-birth is a main goal, thru enlightenment- which is another goal to itself

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    8 Fold Nobel Path is the Way to end Samsara.
    Buddha was keen on not just philosophy, but TEACHING how to live an honorable life.
    Living for more then just temporal pleasure grows the mind to understand life is much more then pleasure seeking

    we are here for a purpose,
    a chance to end cyclical re-birth is a main goal, thru enlightenment- which is another goal to itself
    I can assure you that Enlightenment does not include pretending to believe Trump - but then, I don't doubt the very unenlightened manage to convince themselves he's the Buddha! Weird!

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    Ganapati Muni was a renowned mantra meditation master, but he had not found peace.
    He approached Ramana Maharshi and explained his predicament.

    Sri Ramana said: There is nothing wrong with your practice. Just observe the silence between repetitions.
    This silence is its source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iolo/Penderyn View Post
    I can assure you that Enlightenment does not include pretending to believe Trump - but then, I don't doubt the very unenlightened manage to convince themselves he's the Buddha! Weird!
    Agreed. Trump and his beliefs are the opposite of Enlightenment.
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

    "Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    you just showed your stupidity. You cant even read a thread. your criticism is unfocused/ you cant control your mind
    Your dukkha is showing, comrade anatta.
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

    "Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Agreed. Trump and his beliefs are the opposite of Enlightenment.

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    Embrace the suffering lightly, understand the issue, accept it and change accordingly to lead life positively.

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    Dukkha: What the Buddha Meant by 'Life Is Suffering'
    https://www.learnreligions.com/life-...at-mean-450094
    By Barbara O'Brien
    Updated September 09, 2018

    The Buddha didn't speak English. This should be obvious since the historical Buddha lived in India almost 26 centuries ago. Yet it's a point lost on many people who get stuck on the definitions of English words used in translations.

    For example, people want to argue with the first of the Four Noble Truths, often translated as "life is suffering." That sounds so negative.

    Remember, the Buddha didn't speak English, so he didn't use the English word, "suffering." What he said, according to the earliest scriptures, is that life is dukkha.

    What Does 'Dukkha' Mean?

    "Dukkha" is Pali, a variation of Sanskrit, and it means a lot of things. For example, anything temporary is dukkha, including happiness. But some people can't get past that English word "suffering" and want to disagree with the Buddha because of it.

    Some translators are chucking out "suffering" and replacing it with "dissatisfaction" or "stress." Sometimes translators bump into words that have no corresponding words meaning exactly the same thing in the other language. "Dukkha" is one of those words.

    Understanding dukkha, however, is critical to understanding the Four Noble Truths, and the Four Noble Truths are the foundation of Buddhism.

    Filling in the Blank

    Because there is no single English word that neatly and tidily contains the same range of meaning and connotation as "dukkha," It's better not to translate it. Otherwise, you'll waste time spinning your wheels over a word that doesn't mean what the Buddha meant.

    So, throw out "suffering," "stress," "dissatisfaction," or whatever other English word is standing in for it, and go back to "dukkha." Do this even if—especially if —you don't understand what "dukkha" means. Think of it as an algebraic "X," or a value you're trying to discover.

    Defining Dukkha

    The Buddha taught there are three main categories of dukkha. These are:

    Suffering or Pain
    Suffering or Pain (Dukkha-dukkha). Ordinary suffering, as defined by the English word, is one form of dukkha. This includes physical, emotional and mental pain.

    Impermanence or Change
    Anything that is not permanent, that is subject to change, is dukkha. Thus, happiness is dukkha, because it is not permanent. Great success, which fades with the passing of time, is dukkha. Even the purest state of bliss experienced in spiritual practice is dukkha. This doesn't mean that happiness, success, and bliss are bad, or that it's wrong to enjoy them. If you feel happy, then enjoy feeling happy. Just don't cling to it.

    Conditioned States (Samkhara-dukkha).
    To be conditioned is to be dependent on or affected by something else. According to the teaching of dependent origination, all phenomena are conditioned. Everything affects everything else. This is the most difficult part of the teachings on dukkha to understand, but it is critical to understanding Buddhism.

    What Is the Self?

    This takes us to the Buddha's teachings on the self. According to the doctrine of anatman (or anatta) there is no "self" in the sense of a permanent, integral, autonomous being within an individual existence. What we think of as our self, our personality, and ego, are temporary creations of the skandhas.

    The skandhas, or "five aggregates," or "five heaps," are a combination of five properties or energies that make what we think of as an individual being. Theravada scholar Walpola Rahula said,

    "What we call a 'being', or an 'individual', or 'I', is only a convenient name or a label given to the combination of these five groups. They are all impermanent, all constantly changing.

    Whatever is impermanent is dukkha' .
    This is the true meaning of the Buddha's words: 'In brief the Five Aggregates of Attachment are dukkha.' They are not the same for two consecutive moments. Here A is not equal to A. They are in a flux of momentary arising and disappearing."

    Life Is Dukkha

    Understanding the First Noble Truth is not easy. For most of us, it takes years of dedicated practice, especially to go beyond a conceptual understanding to a realization of the teaching. Yet people often glibly dismiss Buddhism as soon as they hear that word "suffering."

    That's why I think it is useful to toss out English words like "suffering" and "stressful" and go back to "dukkha."
    Let the meaning of dukkha unfold for you, without other words getting in the way.

    The historical Buddha once summarized his own teachings this way: "Both formerly and now, it is only dukkha that I describe, and the cessation of dukkha."
    Buddhism will be a muddle for anyone who doesn't grasp the deeper meaning of dukkha
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    https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipi....011.than.html
    "Birth is dukkha, aging is dukkha, death is dukkha; sorrow, lamentation, pain, grief, & despair are dukkha; association with the unbeloved is dukkha; separation from the loved is dukkha; not getting what is wanted is dukkha.
    In short, the five clinging-aggregates are dukkha."

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    “Paranoia is just a kind of awareness, and awareness is just another form of love.”

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    I was into the whole zen thing for a while, then odinism became much more fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Money Dolla View Post
    “Paranoia is just a kind of awareness, and awareness is just another form of love.”
    fuck that. life is not to be lived as a paranoid state- "aware" or not

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Money Dolla View Post
    I was into the whole zen thing for a while, then odinism became much more fun.
    so you subordinated your independent mind to hedonism? that is sooo dukkha! lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    so you subordinated your independent mind to hedonism? that is sooo dukkha! lol


    I was told if I ever met the buddha I should kill the buddha, what better way to do that than in full viking mode!

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