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    Default Dukkha is more than suffering.

    Life is suffering. The truth of suffering.

    You've heard these statements of the Buddha about the nature of this life. Over the past one hundred years, much of the Buddha's teachings have made their way into Western thought and culture. Knowing that all of the Buddha's teachings revolve around the four noble truths, we should be sure to come to a correct understanding about what he meant when he laid out his foundational teachings.

    In his first sermon, the Buddha taught:

    Now this, bhikkhus, is the noble truth of dukkha: birth is dukkha, aging is dukkha, illness is dukkha, death is dukkha; union with what is displeasing is dukkha; separation from what is pleasing is dukkha; not to get what one wants is dukkha; in brief, the five aggregates subject to clinging are dukkha.

    It is easy to see how the early translators of the dharma may have chosen suffering or pain as a substitute for the Sanskrit term dukkha. It makes sense, birth is painful, aging is suffering, not getting what you want is painful. Those translations offer insight into what the Buddha was trying to convey.

    But words are limited in their meaning.

    The Buddha first states that birth, aging, illness and death are all dukkha. Every stage of human life is dukkha. The human condition is subject to pain and suffering, discomfort and unease.

    The Buddha then says that uniting with what is displeasing is dukkha. It is unsatisfying, frustrating, miserable.

    Next we find that separation from what is pleasing is dukkha. It is grief, sadness, distress.

    The Buddha goes on to say that not getting what one wants is dukkha. It is despair, disappointing, upsetting.

    Finally, the Buddha states that the five aggregates, or all conditioned phenomena, are dukkha. There is a basic unsatisfactoriness that pervades all forms of the human condition, which is subject to change, impermanent and without any lasting substance. That which changes, is impermanent and without lasting substance is incapable of satisfying us.

    Later in his first discourse, the Buddha taught that dukkha was to be fully understood. What are we to understand? Is it enough to understand that life is suffering?

    We need to understand the human condition in its entirety. The central tenet of the Buddha's teachings is that we need to understand our own pain and suffering, but also the myriad ways in which we fall into states of loss and sadness, dissatisfaction and despair. We need to fully understand how all things change, how the very nature of this life and this world is that it is impermanent and without any lasting substance.

    Dukkha includes understanding suffering, but it is much more than suffering. It is understanding the human condition, and all that it entails.

    Finally, we should take a look at what is meant by 'understand'. Is it to be known, acknowledged or perceived?

    It is not enough to know the words or even the meaning. To fully understand dukkha we have to be aware of dukkha, acknowledge it, feel it and sit with it. We need to see it and listen to it. We need to fight the urge to wallow in it, push it away or pretend it isn't there. Then we might understand the truth of dukkha.
    http://siddhearta.blogspot.com/2018/...suffering.html

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    I didn't read all that. But Buddhist girls like to fuck, I know that. I think it's because they aren't saddled with all that Middle Eastern (Abrahamic) religious stuff.
    (Havana Moon seems knowledgeable on the Subject, I wonder what his thoughts are?)

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    ^ it's not that much to read. life us dukkha -the human condition. It's the basis of the 4 Nobel Truths.

    In the fourth truth the Buddha taught that the way to get rid of the desire that causes suffering is to free yourself from being attached to it.
    The Eightfold Path is a set of guidelines for Buddhists to live by that should lead to the end of suffering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    ^ it's not that much to read. life us dukkha -the human condition. It's the basis of the 4 Nobel Truths.

    In the fourth truth the Buddha taught that the way to get rid of the desire that causes suffering is to free yourself from being attached to it.
    The Eightfold Path is a set of guidelines for Buddhists to live by that should lead to the end of suffering.
    That's uh, that's uh ... interesting. But ...
    I've contacted Havana Moon on the subject of 'Why Buddhist Girls Love to Fuck'. This could tie in with your 'suffering' thesis here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    That's uh, that's uh ... interesting. But ...
    I've contacted Havana Moon on the subject of 'Why Buddhist Girls Love to Fuck'. This could tie in with your 'suffering' thesis here.
    there are times to be a class clown, there are other times for awareness.
    as the title directly says, dukka is more then suffering

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    there are times to be a class clown, there are other times for awareness.
    as the title directly says, dukka is more then suffering
    OK. Thanks. Maybe when I get my coffee and have more time, I will read it and give you my thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    OK. Thanks. Maybe when I get my coffee and have more time, I will read it and give you my thoughts.
    only if you are interested, do it for yourself, not for me; but yes read it when you are more contemplative

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    ^ it's not that much to read. life us dukkha -the human condition. It's the basis of the 4 Nobel Truths.

    In the fourth truth the Buddha taught that the way to get rid of the desire that causes suffering is to free yourself from being attached to it.
    The Eightfold Path is a set of guidelines for Buddhists to live by that should lead to the end of suffering.
    totalitarians hate non materialism. they can't control people who give no fucks.

    they want us to want to keep up with the joneses, even if the joneses epitomize archetypal stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    totalitarians hate non materialism. they can't control people who give no fucks.
    they want us to want to keep up with the joneses, even if the joneses epitomize archetypal stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    Life is suffering. The truth of suffering.

    You've heard these statements of the Buddha about the nature of this life. Over the past one hundred years, much of the Buddha's teachings have made their way into Western thought and culture. Knowing that all of the Buddha's teachings revolve around the four noble truths, we should be sure to come to a correct understanding about what he meant when he laid out his foundational teachings.

    In his first sermon, the Buddha taught:

    Now this, bhikkhus, is the noble truth of dukkha: birth is dukkha, aging is dukkha, illness is dukkha, death is dukkha; union with what is displeasing is dukkha; separation from what is pleasing is dukkha; not to get what one wants is dukkha; in brief, the five aggregates subject to clinging are dukkha.

    It is easy to see how the early translators of the dharma may have chosen suffering or pain as a substitute for the Sanskrit term dukkha. It makes sense, birth is painful, aging is suffering, not getting what you want is painful. Those translations offer insight into what the Buddha was trying to convey.

    But words are limited in their meaning.

    The Buddha first states that birth, aging, illness and death are all dukkha. Every stage of human life is dukkha. The human condition is subject to pain and suffering, discomfort and unease.

    The Buddha then says that uniting with what is displeasing is dukkha. It is unsatisfying, frustrating, miserable.

    Next we find that separation from what is pleasing is dukkha. It is grief, sadness, distress.

    The Buddha goes on to say that not getting what one wants is dukkha. It is despair, disappointing, upsetting.

    Finally, the Buddha states that the five aggregates, or all conditioned phenomena, are dukkha. There is a basic unsatisfactoriness that pervades all forms of the human condition, which is subject to change, impermanent and without any lasting substance. That which changes, is impermanent and without lasting substance is incapable of satisfying us.

    Later in his first discourse, the Buddha taught that dukkha was to be fully understood. What are we to understand? Is it enough to understand that life is suffering?

    We need to understand the human condition in its entirety. The central tenet of the Buddha's teachings is that we need to understand our own pain and suffering, but also the myriad ways in which we fall into states of loss and sadness, dissatisfaction and despair. We need to fully understand how all things change, how the very nature of this life and this world is that it is impermanent and without any lasting substance.

    Dukkha includes understanding suffering, but it is much more than suffering. It is understanding the human condition, and all that it entails.

    Finally, we should take a look at what is meant by 'understand'. Is it to be known, acknowledged or perceived?

    It is not enough to know the words or even the meaning. To fully understand dukkha we have to be aware of dukkha, acknowledge it, feel it and sit with it. We need to see it and listen to it. We need to fight the urge to wallow in it, push it away or pretend it isn't there. Then we might understand the truth of dukkha.
    http://siddhearta.blogspot.com/2018/...suffering.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by MASON View Post
    I thought
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    Every life matters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph View Post
    If you are into Idolatry...….
    Buddha is not a god. Buddha was a wise sage -a teacher a man. The enlightenment is what we all can do
    it is the end of Saṃsāra (rebirth of imperfected karma) ..

    Hinduism thinks you are reincarnated as a same self. Buddhism has no self -just left over karma that amalgamates back into a different new life - most times not human

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    Buddha is not a god. Buddha was a wise sage -a teacher a man. The enlightenment is what we all can do
    it is the end of Saṃsāra (rebirth of imperfected karma) ..

    Hinduism thinks you are reincarnated as a same self. Buddhism has no self -just left over karma that amalgamates back into a different new life - most times not human
    Anything you honor and seek help or aid from other than God can become an idol. Or as the Holy Scriptures declare, "You shall not make for yourself a carved image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them for I the Lord your God, am a jealous God...……." (Ex. 20:4-5)

    The doctrine of reincarnation can become idolatry if one worships its precepts with expectations of anything other than a final judgment after life. Jesus teachings declare, there is only one go around in this reality called life, "Just as it is appointed for people to die once, and after this....the judgment ….so also the Messiah, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are awaiting Him." -- Heb. 9:27-28

    This message is clear within the writings of the New Testament Covenant...there is but one lifetime after which everyone will be judged. No endless cycle of life after life, of rebirth into any other lifeform. Christ teaches there is no need for endless reincarnations....He has already paid the ultimate price, He has already lived the perfect life and been offered as the perfect sacrifice to replace the imperfections (sins) of all mankind in the eyes of God....Christ is our advocate that stands between imperfection and God.....making it possible for heavenly ascension for anyone that accepts the conditions of the covenant. The chief conditions? Thy shall love thy God will all thy heart and have no other Gods before Him...the 2nd that combines all the teachings into a simple message....love thy neighbor as thyself.

    The ultimate symbolism of Love? Truth...teaching simple truth. Truth is what sets one free...not endless physical life.

    A simple question? If the teachings of Budda are agnostic in relation to accepting God as the ultimate creator and life giver.....just who gets to decide what happens to your soul along this path of constant reincarnations....who or what determines what is good, what is evil or what defines good karma and or bad karma, good acts of living or bad actions of living? Who gets to decide if you move "up" or "down" along the scales of this life everlasting? Logically this concept of teachings can only be considered true if someone other than Self is in charge of directing and choreographing this dance...no?

    Who is in charge...who do you worship for this sage advise...if not a graven image? If you can't admit there is some form of energy that has this ultimate control...is there really any logic to this type of self denial and punishment if you don't have a guideline to advise? What I find interesting and contradicting at the same time about the teachings of a Buddhist is the fact the Buddhist teaches that he must pay for the evils he has preformed in this current life but rejects the ideology that such a payment even exists in the form of a final judgement.

    Paul....an Apostle of the teachings of the Christ puts it more succinctly, "We are confident, yes well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord. Therefore we make it our aim, whether present or absent, to be well pleasing unto Him. For we must appear before the judgement seat of Christ; and each one receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men, but we are well known to God; and I trust also well known in your consciences." -- 2 Cor. 5:8-11

    This teaching teaches us that God is not eager to punish the wicked as defined by Him (God)...but the teachings reveal that God cannot lie and Justice must be served in equality. "Do I (God) have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? says the Lord God...and....not that he (the sinner that has strayed into evilness) should repent (turn from his ways) and live?" -- Ez. 18:23


    If its not God that decides what is Justice....who does? Logically....there must exist a final authority other than self....or what's the point? Each man is an island unto himself?

    There is no morality in nature....right is what the strong makes the weak endure. Is it murder when a big cat chases down and kills the weaker animal in order to sustain its own life? Of course not....its NATURE. There is no moral compass in nature, morality can only be accredited to have come from a higher authority than man or nature, morality only exists in mankind the only lifeform on earth that has the power of recognizing his/her own morality and thus plans for the path along this short life...that determines what is good and what is evil....but first there must be a code of ethics to adhere...where did this universal code come from? Why is morality instructed throughout every human culture on earth with certain constants always existing, such as Murder is wrong, honor your parents...etc., ?
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