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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    so you subordinated your independent mind to hedonism? that is sooo dukkha! lol



    besides hedonism can be fun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Money Dolla View Post
    I was told if I ever met the buddha I should kill the buddha,
    "When you meet the Buddha, kill him" refers to "killing" a Buddha you perceive as separate from yourself because such a Buddha is an illusion.

    In Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind (Weatherhill, 1970), Shunryu Suzuki Roshi said,

    "Zen master will say, 'Kill the Buddha!' Kill the Buddha if the Buddha exists somewhere else.
    Kill the Buddha, because you should resume your own Buddha nature."


    Kill the Buddha if the Buddha exists somewhere else. If you meet the Buddha, kill the Buddha.
    In other words, if you encounter a "Buddha" separate from yourself, you are deluded.
    https://www.learnreligions.com/kill-the-buddha-449940

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    "When you meet the Buddha, kill him" refers to "killing" a Buddha you perceive as separate from yourself because such a Buddha is an illusion.

    In Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind (Weatherhill, 1970), Shunryu Suzuki Roshi said,

    "Zen master will say, 'Kill the Buddha!' Kill the Buddha if the Buddha exists somewhere else.
    Kill the Buddha, because you should resume your own Buddha nature."


    Kill the Buddha if the Buddha exists somewhere else. If you meet the Buddha, kill the Buddha.
    In other words, if you encounter a "Buddha" separate from yourself, you are deluded.
    https://www.learnreligions.com/kill-the-buddha-449940



    You know I am teasing right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Money Dolla View Post
    You know I am teasing right?
    OK. but you make a valid point about "kill the Buddha if you meet him"

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    OK. but you make a valid point about "kill the Buddha if you meet him"


    I still practice Zazen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Money Dolla View Post
    I still practice Zazen.
    lol.. i am FAR too Monkey Mind for that! I rely on studies - I am Tibetan Buddhist (Dalai Lama)

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    lol.. i am FAR too Monkey Mind for that! I rely on studies - I am Tibetan Buddhist (Dalai Lama)


    I was too, until I wasn't.

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    As a Buddhist, what are your most effective ways to dispel waves of tempestuous thoughts brought about by occasional life upsets? Many texts teach these are the times to learn from and to practice. So how do you yourself restore a stable mind?

    Your query contains the answer

    Buddhists do try and learn to understand that life and all it entails is a continuous struggle/effort. we are taught that life is dynamic by its very nature, we are likewise taught the act of attachment to a static life will only lead to suffering. Buddhists engage in the meditative arts to exercise our minds to fully express our highest dynamic potential and inherent flexibility to like and thrive in an ever-changing world. given this statement,
    Nichiren Buddhists also understand our human capacity

    I adhere to Buddhist practice as being in alignment with scientific discovery, not solely dependent but complementary. quantum has discovered how two particles can occupy the same location. simultaneously This discovery can be applied to our minds as we increasingly discover its complexity…… Meaning we can understand the dynamics of life and the universe and and manage our daily lives simultaneously…Skillful Means is the term.
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    Nichiren Buddhism focuses on the Lotus Sutra doctrine that all people have an innate Buddha-nature and are therefore inherently capable of attaining enlightenment in their current form and present lifetime. There are three essential aspects to Nichiren Buddhism, the undertaking of faith, the practice of chanting Nam Myoho Renge Kyo accompanied by selected recitations of the Lotus Sutra, and the study of Nichiren's scriptural writings, called Gosho.[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nichiren_Buddhism

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    Namu Myōhō Renge Kyō


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    How do you quiet your mind and find some peace?

    Our minds will always be active to some degree In my experience with Nicherin practice It is not the ultimate goal to dis engage from thought or brain activity but rather to have correct or right kind o brain activity.
    The power mantra enters and helps “induce” us to have correct thought patterns. a mantra helps shape our minds while plain meditation we are left to the devise we are trying to shape.

    As for finding peace I believe his is a slight misinterpretation of the purpose of meditation. I call meditation the meditative arts, recognizing all forms of meditation, I however try and distinguish mediation that is part of the legacy of the Buddha as the this lineage is I belive special

    The Buddhas has stated in his teachings as interpreted by his earliest followers that hat sole purpose of the Buddha to enter nirvana and return was to return with the secrets and knowledge he gained specifically to teach satient beings (humans) and offer a tool by which we can end all suffering.

    In conclusion a Buddha’s mind is at peace in concert with correct thought which is helping others
    https://thebuddhaspath.quora.com/?__...ids__=25124228

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    one doesn't find Enlightenment anywhere because anywhere you look is within space and time and enlightenment is free from space and time . You need to look at the nature of your mind to “find “ enlightenment but when you “find” it there is no FINDER anymore so you can’t really find enlightenment . “You” and all notions of I/SELF/YOU is the blockage to enlightnment . That is why in the Mahayana tradition , when non conceptual realisation of EMPTINESS/SUNYATA or in the Sravakayana tradition ( Theravada ) ANATMAN/NO-SELF happens Enlightenment is there .

    There is a Path laid out by the Buddha ( The eightfold Path ) that can help this happen . But even the path alone cannot help unless you have an authentic Kalyanmitra .These can help you see Emptiness non conceptually and when you see it you are already enlightened to the first level called Darshan Marga /Path of seeing. ( The Enlightened Master Chandrakirti (c.600 – c. 650)of Nalanda , Madhyamakavatara) .

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    Can we treat Buddhism as a branch of philosophy or psychology?

    No, it's better to say philosophy or psychological are just a small branch of Buddhism since Buddhism teachings are giving more than 2500 years ago while most philosophy and psychology are known more recently, and Buddhism teachings are much more than philosophy and psychology. The Buddha's teachings covered everything needed to be known by men, whether one use it for just the present moment, a life time or beyond life and after life. Best of all, the Buddha's teachings can be practiced and experienced and nothing found to be wrong or bad.

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    Maya or Māyā (Sanskrit: māyā), literally means "that which is not." or "not this."
    It refers to the God's [as Supreme Creator; Supreme Person; Supreme goal of Enlightenment]
    energy of illusion,
    which makes us think our temporary body,
    which is a product of the material world,
    is the same as our eternal, spiritual self,
    the atma within the body.

    When we're under maya's influence,
    the attractive things in this world
    —wealth, fame, the opposite sex—
    appear real and desirable to us.
    We think we should be able to enjoy and control them, as we like.
    But really, everything here is under the control of time,
    and none of these temporary things can bring us lasting happiness.

    Everything about Godhead as the originating Supreme Person, is completely spiritual.
    But when we want to enjoy or control separately from Godhead's service
    —as if we were God ourselves—
    everything then appears to us as material, non-spiritual,
    separate from Godhead's presence, and exploitable.
    What we see then is maya, illusion,
    because in reality nothing is separate from the Absolute Truth, the Supreme Person.

    As recorded in Scripture:
    The Lord said, “This is my Maya.”
    Maya means “forgetfulness”.
    Illusion, unreal, myth, ignorance, etc. are Maya.
    The Lord said, "One who forgets me and thinks that the world
    is the only truth and is always engrossed in it, he is entrapped in Maya.

    The living being is perpetually suffering in different types of bodies
    from the material miseries of birth, old age, disease and death.
    The human form of life offers one a chance to get out of this
    entanglement [samsara] simply by reestablishing the
    lost relationship between the living entity and the Supreme Godhead.

    The Lord comes to teach this philosophy of surrender unto the Supreme
    [directly or indirectly as per the level of the student's ability].

    The threefold miseries
    [1 adhyātmika, 2 adhibhautika, and 3 adhidaivika.]

    MAYA EN MASS:
    1 miseries caused by the mind and body. Sometimes the living entity suffers bodily, and sometimes he is distressed mentally.
    Both are adhyātmika miseries. We experience these miseries even in the womb of our mother.
    As we well know, there are many types of miseries that take advantage of the delicate human body and give us pain.

    2 Miseries inflicted by other living entities. These living entities need not even be large, for there are many—such as bugs—that
    can make us miserable even while we are sleeping in bed. There are many insignificant living entities,
    like cockroaches, that sometimes give us pain, and there are also other living entities who are born
    on different kinds of planets and who give us miseries.

    3 Natural disasters that originate with the demigods of the higher planets. For instance, we sometimes suffer from severe
    cold or hot weather, from a thunderbolt, or from earthquakes, tornadoes, droughts and many natural disasters.
    In any case, we are always suffering from either one or a combination of these three kinds of miseries.

    NOTE:
    Karma = for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
    Karma is not destiny.
    Karma translates as "Action".
    Destiny can mistakenly be a means of explaining away responsibility.

    NOTE:
    If individuality refers to the empirical universe,
    then there is no need of teaching by the Lord.
    The plurality of the individual soul and of the Lord is an eternal fact,
    and it is confirmed by the Vedas as above mentioned.

    Achintya-bheda-abheda-tattva = refers to the inconceivable oneness
    and difference of the Supreme Person and His energies.
    This is one of the key points of theistic philosophy. As parts of God's energy,
    we're also equal in quality with God, but there's a vast difference in quantity.
    We're each infinitesimal sparks of spiritual energy, and the Supreme Person of Godhead,
    is the infinite, supreme source of all energies.

    Some parts of the Vedas say that all beings are one with God,
    and others say that God is different from all beings.
    Vedanta philosophers have long argued back and forth about this.
    The first defect of conditioned souls is that he must commit mistakes.
    The second defect is to be illusioned.
    The third defect is the cheating propensity.
    Lastly, our senses are imperfect and imperfect.

    NOTE:
    Afterlife Beliefs by different religions:
    https://www.interfaith.org/community...s/18470/page-7

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    The actresses on Korean and Taiwanese soap operas, which I'm known to watch now and then, are smoking hot.

    That's my only comment on the subject.
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