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    Hello Flash,

    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    It is everybody's responsibility to get some experience or learn some job skills that make them valuable enough to deserve a decent salary. Then, it is their responsibility to live a life within their income limits.

    It is not the employer's responsibility to pay somebody with no skills a "livable wage" so that person can buy a home, have a family, etc.
    That is how greed and indifference kill a society and destroy a nation.

    Disney CEO is obscenely paid 1400 times the median worker pay.

    There is no moral justification.

    The workers can't make ends meet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    That is how greed and indifference kill a society and destroy a nation.
    STUPID, LAME and WRONG; what destroys a nation is third world Fascistic Socialism. Dumb fuck.
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    Hello Flash,

    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    It is everybody's responsibility to get some experience or learn some job skills that make them valuable enough to deserve a decent salary.
    This sounds like a justification for blaming the poor for their own condition.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    It is everybody's responsibility to get some experience or learn some job skills that make them valuable enough to deserve a decent salary.
    If that is the case, then who will perform the less skilled positions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Then, it is their responsibility to live a life within their income limits.
    That is not possible for those at the lower end of the wage spectrum.

    A good system allows all the needed jobs in a society to be performed, and all the people in society to have enough income to maintain a minimal comfortable lifestyle.

    Any system which allows powerful employers to take advantage of desperate workers by paying them too little to live is destined to produce unrest and misery - not a great country but a suffering one.
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    Hello Heff,

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    Well done. This case is particularly good because if they do what they propose, it would be out of personal free-will, not government coercion. This is why capitalism will always be the more humane system.
    There is no argument between capitalism and socialism. We already mix the two together, and so do the happiest nations on Earth.

    The only question is how to get the balance right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Heff,



    There is no argument between capitalism and socialism. We already mix the two together, and so do the happiest nations on Earth.

    The only question is how to get the balance right.
    happiest nations on Earth??? WHO?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    The world will survive a liveable wage of $18
    So do those of us who have worked to get where we are get the same increase of wages? Does the Government force my company to give the same pay increase?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Flash,



    That is how greed and indifference kill a society and destroy a nation.

    Disney CEO is obscenely paid 1400 times the median worker pay.

    There is no moral justification.

    The workers can't make ends meet.
    Greed has nothing to do with a person being responsible for making himself marketable. I bet that Disney executive got training, an education, worked hard, and earned that position. Mickey Mouse who walks around taking selfies with children and parents has done nothing to earn a high salary.

    If you think something has no moral justification you are free not to consume any Disney products. If enough of us do so they no longer have a business and can't pay the executive anything. If you choose to go to Disney movies you are voluntarily supporting them and their practices. American consumers control corporations in spite of those who claim they are all controlling us.

    It is not indifference to expect a person to get training, experience, or an education. It is the only responsible thing to do. Otherwise, we could all just drop out of high school and expect someone to pay us a good salary despite not having any skills. Does your business hire people with no skills at a high salary?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Heff,



    There is no argument between capitalism and socialism. We already mix the two together, and so do the happiest nations on Earth.

    The only question is how to get the balance right.
    You said socialism destroys innovation and capitalism causes greed. If you mix greed and lack of incentive together you get happiness? Sounds like you get the worst of both worlds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by climate+equality View Post
    Everybody should be able to survive.
    Including babies ?
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    Why not start with unions ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Fucking liberals. Soooo, what about the 11% and above, who have worked and earned their way up the ladder? Oh well, fuck 'em.
    Odd thing for a lifelong admitted Marxist like you to whine about, comrade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    You said socialism destroys innovation and capitalism causes greed. If you mix greed and lack of incentive together you get happiness? Sounds like you get the worst of both worlds.
    So negative.

    This assessment focuses on the worst of each.

    Mistake!

    The idea is to try to maximize the best of each system while minimizing the worst. Must be working in the Nordic Model because they are the happiest nations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heff View Post
    Well done. This case is particularly good because if they do what they propose, it would be out of personal free-will, not government coercion. This is why capitalism will always be the more humane system.
    Yup, this is PRECISELY my argument... If people want to do this out of self-governance (such as with this example of a company freely choosing to do so), then I am all for it. If people instead want to force this type of act upon other people through compulsion (say, through federal government progressive taxation rates & subsequent "redistribution of wealth"), then I am against it.

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