At Least Some Are Beginning To Understand

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Everybody should be able to survive.

Who is not surviving?

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The world will survive a liveable wage of $18

...and not ONE person will be better off for it. I do wish you knew what you emote about, really I do. $18 bucks? $36,720 a year isn't going to get you far in most of the major metro areas of the US in the NE or West Coast snowflake.

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NBC Nightly News did a brief segment on this tonight. We seem to have forgotten the concept of noblesse oblige, but this lady has resurrected it. Good for her. Disney really should grab this and run with it. It will make them even more popular. It's outstanding PR. And maybe, just maybe, it will spark other corporations into doing the same. I'd love to see investigative reporters digging into it as well. Say Disney claims that it's giving all of its employees "living wages" because of this publicity. It would be good to have follow-ups a year or so later to make sure that they really did. Maybe the investigative reporters could do something more worthwhile than repeating the Toadstool's endless moronic tweets. lol

The best way to make your life better is to stop expecting the Government to do it and either get a good education or learn a valuable skill. It really is that simple.

All the gobbledygook you leftists bloviate won't help a single soul. It just guarantees more dependency on the Fed.

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AND there is abuse for shit wages.

Who is forcing anyone to work in an abusive environment you lying dumb fuck?

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It is everybody's responsibility to get some experience or learn some job skills that make them valuable enough to deserve a decent salary. Then, it is their responsibility to live a life within their income limits.

It is not the employer's responsibility to pay somebody with no skills a "livable wage" so that person can buy a home, have a family, etc.

Spot on Flash. There are some things we agree on.

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But it is not the result of capitalism. It is closer to Democratic Socialism the system you hate. Capitalism is based on self interests, and greed. Probably why Jefferson, and others, opposed it.

Capitalism is based on individual liberty, independence, ingenuity and entrepreneurship. Two things low IQ dunces like you have ZERO concept of.

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I assume by experience you mean work and by skills you mean education. Some people cannot afford education and therefore cannot obtain work. Almost nobody is saying everybody is entitled to buy a house and have children.

LIE and LAME; there isn't ONE person in this country that can't afford to get an education.

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Nobody here is allowed to connect the HUGE current inequality with their failure to support the miners against Thatcher, then they moan about how unfair it all is. Union-busting works - if people let it.

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I assume by experience you mean work and by skills you mean education. Some people cannot afford education and therefore cannot obtain work. Almost nobody is saying everybody is entitled to buy a house and have children.

Not necessarily. I know people who take beginning jobs and learn skills that did not require a formal education. I am building a house and many of the skilled workers are Hispanic with their sons as their helpers who are learning the trade. I know men who worked as pipefitters who learned the trade by going to apprentice school. There are many schools that teach job skills and government grants are available to those students. The government has free job training programs (Job Corps) that pay a wage, room and board, and other expenses that cannot fill their slots with enough students.

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Nobody here is allowed to connect the HUGE current inequality with their failure to support the miners against Thatcher, then they moan about how unfair it all is. Union-busting works - if people let it.

The same people that supported the miners are now supporting that idiot child Greta Thunberg. If there were any coalmines left in Wales they'd be blockading them!!

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Spot on Flash. There are some things we agree on.

Those are the ones you are correct about.

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Things are better understood when broken down to the local level, without being able to cry "he's making billions, BILLIONS I tell you",
when applying principle to policy.

So you start a modest flooring business by doing a neighbors floors, then another neighbor wants his done, word of mouth you get going... so you run your credit cards up, second mortgage on your house, spend your savings, all to purchase equipment, sanders, polishers, saws, your truck, to buy your licenses, insurance, advertising. Business starts to take off you hire 3 or four employees, purchase their unemployment insurance, insure them, all the while busy in the background advertising, marketing, doing the bookwork, billing, chasing invoices etc.
Business keeps building, 3, 4, 5 years busting your ass, you now have 10 employees, maybe 15, 3 trucks, tons of equipment. your employees just basically show up 7 am every day, clock out at 5. You pay them what you agreed on at the start, , maybe a dollar an hour raise each year. Christmas bonus maybe.

then THEY, your employees, decide being that business is doing so well they demand better pay, bash you because you have managed to purchase a summer home, a new car or two, they even publically disclose your bank account. Demand the government step in and do something.

follow along if you can nut-bags
capitalism is there for everyone, opportunity in this great country is there for everyone. remember this guys ^^^ beginning

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Things are better understood when broken down to the local level, without being able to cry "he's making billions, BILLIONS I tell you",
when applying principle to policy.

So you start a modest flooring business by doing a neighbors floors, then another neighbor wants his done, word of mouth you get going... so you run your credit cards up, second mortgage on your house, spend your savings, all to purchase equipment, sanders, polishers, saws, your truck, to buy your licenses, insurance, advertising. Business starts to take off you hire 3 or four employees, purchase their unemployment insurance, insure them, all the while busy in the background advertising, marketing, doing the bookwork, billing, chasing invoices etc.
Business keeps building, 3, 4, 5 years busting your ass, you now have 10 employees, maybe 15, 3 trucks, tons of equipment. your employees just basically show up 7 am every day, clock out at 5. You pay them what you agreed on at the start, , maybe a dollar an hour raise each year. Christmas bonus maybe.

then THEY, your employees, decide being that business is doing so well they demand better pay, bash you because you have managed to purchase a summer home, a new car or two, they even publically disclose your bank account. Demand the government step in and do something.

follow along if you can nut-bags
capitalism is there for everyone, opportunity in this great country is there for everyone. remember this guys ^^^ beginning

While that may have been true 30 years ago, it is a rapidly disappearing possibility. The limitations were well recognized over 2000 years ago, and spoken of by Plato, Christ, and in more recent times by Jefferson, and others:

https://www.latimes.com/business/hil...24-column.html

Modern-day conservatives will shudder at the Saez-Zucman program, but it would fit well within the world view of the Founding Fathers. Thomas Jefferson and his fellows were deeply hostile to the accumulation of great wealth, especially by inheritance. In a famous 1812 letter to the printer Joseph Milligan, Jefferson acknowledges that "the overgrown wealth of an individual [may] be deemed dangerous to the State."

In economic terms, he wrote to James Madison, "whenever there is in any country, uncultivated lands and unemployed poor, it is clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to violate natural right."

And in his autobiography Jefferson wrote of the bills he had advocated or passed to form "a system by which every fibre would be eradicated of antient [sic] or future aristocracy; and a foundation laid for a government truly republican." His goal was to "prevent the accumulation and perpetuation of wealth in select families, and preserve the soil of the country from being daily more & more absorbed in Mortmain" (that is, the perpetual ownership of real estate by a church, corporation, or other legal entity).

“The form of law which I propose would be as follows: In a state which is desirous of being saved from the greatest of all plagues—not faction, but rather distraction—there should exist among the citizens neither extreme poverty nor, again, excessive wealth, for both are productive of great evil.”
–Plato

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Those are the ones you are correct about.

GOOD ONE! TOUCHE'!

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While that may have been true 30 years ago, it is a rapidly disappearing possibility. The limitations were well recognized over 2000 years ago, and spoken of by Plato, Christ, and in more recent times by Jefferson, and others:

https://www.latimes.com/business/hil...24-column.html

Modern-day conservatives will shudder at the Saez-Zucman program, but it would fit well within the world view of the Founding Fathers. Thomas Jefferson and his fellows were deeply hostile to the accumulation of great wealth, especially by inheritance. In a famous 1812 letter to the printer Joseph Milligan, Jefferson acknowledges that "the overgrown wealth of an individual [may] be deemed dangerous to the State."

In economic terms, he wrote to James Madison, "whenever there is in any country, uncultivated lands and unemployed poor, it is clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to violate natural right."

And in his autobiography Jefferson wrote of the bills he had advocated or passed to form "a system by which every fibre would be eradicated of antient [sic] or future aristocracy; and a foundation laid for a government truly republican." His goal was to "prevent the accumulation and perpetuation of wealth in select families, and preserve the soil of the country from being daily more & more absorbed in Mortmain" (that is, the perpetual ownership of real estate by a church, corporation, or other legal entity).

“The form of law which I propose would be as follows: In a state which is desirous of being saved from the greatest of all plagues—not faction, but rather distraction—there should exist among the citizens neither extreme poverty nor, again, excessive wealth, for both are productive of great evil.”
–Plato