Democrats are worried about Bernie Sanders winning the White House in 2020

[Bill]

Key Points

Sen. Bernie Sanders is making Democrats nervous. But some supporters say it’s not because he can’t win in 2020. It’s because he can.

The Vermont independent may have surprised the party’s establishment with his strong performance so far. He’s polling second, behind only former Vice President Joe Biden who has yet to enter the race, and he has raised more than other Democratic contenders.

“All their power is in giving money to politicians and controlling them. Bernie Sanders doesn’t want their money. They are going to fight Bernie Sanders harder than any Republican will,” progressive pundit Cenk Uygur says.

Sen. Bernie Sanders is making mainstream Democrats nervous.

But some of the presidential candidate’s supporters say it’s not because they’re worried Sanders can’t defeat President Donald Trump in 2020. It’s because he can, they say.

The Vermont democratic socialist may have surprised the party’s establishment with his strong performance so far. He’s been polling second, behind only former Vice President Joe Biden, who has yet to enter the race. Sanders also took the lead in an Emerson poll released Tuesday. He raised more than $18 million in the first quarter of 2019, the most money of any Democratic contender. And his base of loyal followers, who made him a force in the 2016 primary, has not gone anywhere.

“Bernie right now has a better chance of winning than the rest of field combined,” said Cenk Uygur, founder of progressive news network TYT and host of “The Young Turks,” who supported Sanders in 2016. Uygur has not decided whom he will back in 2020, but says he likes Sanders and Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass.

Uygur said the establishment’s concerns about Sanders raised in a New York Times article on Tuesday, will only make Sanders stronger.

The article quotes party insiders who fear that Sanders’ campaign will complicate efforts to defeat Trump. Their goal is to stop him from gaining more ground and certainly to thwart his chances of becoming the Democratic 2020 nominee.

David Brock, a political consultant, told the Times: “There’s a growing realization that Sanders could end up winning this thing, or certainly that he stays in so long that he damages the actual winner.”

Brock told the paper that he has had discussions with other operatives about an anti-Sanders campaign and believes it should commence “sooner rather than later.”

The Sanders campaign was not available for comment. The Democratic National Committee did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Already, a fight has erupted between Sanders and the Center for American Progress, a think tank that has ties to Hillary Clinton.

But Uygur sees another reason for the establishment’s concerns about Sanders: “The big Dem donors are not worried he’s going to lose the general election, they’re worried he’s going to win,” he tweeted on Tuesday.

Uygur’s point is that big money donors who back mainstream candidates will lose their positions of power in the face of a Sanders win. A political system corrupted by corporate cash and influence, he said, will finally fall if the democratic socialist who has proposed “Medicare for All,” free college education and a $15 minimum wage is elected.

“The people with the most money will lose all power, they will not be rewarded,” he said. “All their power is in giving money to politicians and controlling them. Bernie Sanders doesn’t want their money. They are going to fight Bernie Sanders harder than any Republican will.”

That could be a dangerous game: Attacking Sanders will “force everyone to rally around him,” Uygur said. “That’s why Bernie has always stood an excellent chance of winning. They can’t take away a small donor base. The more they attack him, the more he will raise.”

Indeed, the Sanders’ campaign is already fundraising on the party conflict, dashing off a pitch this week that read in part: “The Democratic establishment and high-dollar donors are already planning how to stop our campaign. They are terrified of our movement - as they should be.”

Ryan Grim, Washington bureau chief for progressive news site The Intercept, a former contributor to MSNBC and a contributor to the Young Turks Network also believes that establishment Democrats are afraid a Sanders win could upend the entire system they operate within.

“They couch that fear in claims that they’re worried he’ll lose,” he told CNBC. “Change is scary.”

Margo Baldwin, president of Vermont-based Chelsea Green Publishing, called the Democratic establishment “part of the power elite in bed with the banks and the moneyed interests.” The company published “Rules for Revolutionaries ” by former Sanders’ campaign staffers Becky Bond and Zack Exley, as well as “Essential Bernie Sanders and his Vision for America ” by Jonathan Tasini. “They don’t like Trump, but they don’t want to see real change,” Baldwin added.

She joked that the party doesn’t seem to like winning either, adding that they “can trot out Biden and they will lose.”

But Markos Moulitsas, founder and publisher of liberal blog Daily Kos said it’s not fear, “it’s frustration” that party insiders are feeling. He said in an email that Sanders is “a divisive person” who “roils the party.”

“As for the big donors, the best way to fight them is to build a small dollar machine that will power candidates at all levels of office,” Moulitsas said. He added, “But even if we succeed in building an entire party of small dollar donors, weep not for big corporate money. They’ll always have Republicans to buy.”

It’s certainly too early to tell where the race will end up, but for Sanders’ supporters, a replay of the infighting that happened in 2016 will not go over well.

“There will be no end to the fury,” Uygur said.

[dukkha]

Sanders says Boston Marathon bomber, sexual assaulters should be allowed to vote
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...llowed-to-vote

bye bye Bernie

[countryboy]

Key Points

Sen. Bernie Sanders is making Democrats nervous. But some supporters say it’s not because he can’t win in 2020. It’s because he can.

The Vermont independent may have surprised the party’s establishment with his strong performance so far. He’s polling second, behind only former Vice President Joe Biden who has yet to enter the race, and he has raised more than other Democratic contenders.

“All their power is in giving money to politicians and controlling them. Bernie Sanders doesn’t want their money. They are going to fight Bernie Sanders harder than any Republican will,” progressive pundit Cenk Uygur says.

Sen. Bernie Sanders is making mainstream Democrats nervous.

But some of the presidential candidate’s supporters say it’s not because they’re worried Sanders can’t defeat President Donald Trump in 2020. It’s because he can, they say.

The Vermont democratic socialist may have surprised the party’s establishment with his strong performance so far. He’s been polling second, behind only former Vice President Joe Biden, who has yet to enter the race. Sanders also took the lead in an Emerson poll released Tuesday. He raised more than $18 million in the first quarter of 2019, the most money of any Democratic contender. And his base of loyal followers, who made him a force in the 2016 primary, has not gone anywhere.

“Bernie right now has a better chance of winning than the rest of field combined,” said Cenk Uygur, founder of progressive news network TYT and host of “The Young Turks,” who supported Sanders in 2016. Uygur has not decided whom he will back in 2020, but says he likes Sanders and Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass.

Uygur said the establishment’s concerns about Sanders raised in a New York Times article on Tuesday, will only make Sanders stronger.

The article quotes party insiders who fear that Sanders’ campaign will complicate efforts to defeat Trump. Their goal is to stop him from gaining more ground and certainly to thwart his chances of becoming the Democratic 2020 nominee.

David Brock, a political consultant, told the Times: “There’s a growing realization that Sanders could end up winning this thing, or certainly that he stays in so long that he damages the actual winner.”

Brock told the paper that he has had discussions with other operatives about an anti-Sanders campaign and believes it should commence “sooner rather than later.”

The Sanders campaign was not available for comment. The Democratic National Committee did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Already, a fight has erupted between Sanders and the Center for American Progress, a think tank that has ties to Hillary Clinton.

But Uygur sees another reason for the establishment’s concerns about Sanders: “The big Dem donors are not worried he’s going to lose the general election, they’re worried he’s going to win,” he tweeted on Tuesday.

Uygur’s point is that big money donors who back mainstream candidates will lose their positions of power in the face of a Sanders win. A political system corrupted by corporate cash and influence, he said, will finally fall if the democratic socialist who has proposed “Medicare for All,” free college education and a $15 minimum wage is elected.

“The people with the most money will lose all power, they will not be rewarded,” he said. “All their power is in giving money to politicians and controlling them. Bernie Sanders doesn’t want their money. They are going to fight Bernie Sanders harder than any Republican will.”

That could be a dangerous game: Attacking Sanders will “force everyone to rally around him,” Uygur said. “That’s why Bernie has always stood an excellent chance of winning. They can’t take away a small donor base. The more they attack him, the more he will raise.”

Indeed, the Sanders’ campaign is already fundraising on the party conflict, dashing off a pitch this week that read in part: “The Democratic establishment and high-dollar donors are already planning how to stop our campaign. They are terrified of our movement - as they should be.”

Ryan Grim, Washington bureau chief for progressive news site The Intercept, a former contributor to MSNBC and a contributor to the Young Turks Network also believes that establishment Democrats are afraid a Sanders win could upend the entire system they operate within.

“They couch that fear in claims that they’re worried he’ll lose,” he told CNBC. “Change is scary.”

Margo Baldwin, president of Vermont-based Chelsea Green Publishing, called the Democratic establishment “part of the power elite in bed with the banks and the moneyed interests.” The company published “Rules for Revolutionaries ” by former Sanders’ campaign staffers Becky Bond and Zack Exley, as well as “Essential Bernie Sanders and his Vision for America ” by Jonathan Tasini. “They don’t like Trump, but they don’t want to see real change,” Baldwin added.

She joked that the party doesn’t seem to like winning either, adding that they “can trot out Biden and they will lose.”

But Markos Moulitsas, founder and publisher of liberal blog Daily Kos said it’s not fear, “it’s frustration” that party insiders are feeling. He said in an email that Sanders is “a divisive person” who “roils the party.”

“As for the big donors, the best way to fight them is to build a small dollar machine that will power candidates at all levels of office,” Moulitsas said. He added, “But even if we succeed in building an entire party of small dollar donors, weep not for big corporate money. They’ll always have Republicans to buy.”

It’s certainly too early to tell where the race will end up, but for Sanders’ supporters, a replay of the infighting that happened in 2016 will not go over well.

“There will be no end to the fury,” Uygur said.

Lol, Cenk Uygur ain't exactly The Amazing Kreskin. I suppose Bern could win with his platform of "rapists, murderers, and terrorists have the right to vote from prison". But, it's not very likely. Trump will mop the floor with Bern on any debate stage. I suspect the DNC won't allow Bern to be the nominee, again.

[Getin the ring]

Bernie, like every liberal in the race has at least one glaring flaw that would make it impossible to deal with Trump on a debate stage

[Earl]

The poor sap, Bernie, would have to explain why he supports Socialism after becoming a multi-millionaire under Capitalism.

[ThatOwlWoman]

*sigh* I voted for Sanders in the 2016 primaries but enough already.

[dukkha]

*sigh* I voted for Sanders in the 2016 primaries but enough already.

lol.. i voted for him in the primary as well - man what a mistake -he's a lunatic

The only Dem I can stomach so far is Amy Klobachar (sp) - and she could beat Trump

[Earl]

No one will defeat President Trump in 2020.

[Bill]

lol.. i voted for him in the primary as well - man what a mistake -he's a lunatic

The only Dem I can stomach so far is Amy Klobachar (sp) - and she could beat Trump

Closet COMMIE!!!!!!!

If I may ask, what did you like in him before??

Why the change of heart??

[dukkha]

Closet COMMIE!!!!!!!

If I may ask, what did you like in him before??

Why the change of heart??

2 things.
1, anti- Hillary, and 2.emphasis on income inequality. (mostly because of wages not rising under Obama creating poverty)

But sanders IS a Socialist - while Trump's policies have gotten good wage increase for lower income earners
( most of the Trump wage increase have gone to lower percentile earners).

[Micawber]

I'd prefer a candidate guaranteed to attract the middle ground.

Only two things matter, defeating Trump in a humongous landslide and gaining in the legislative branches.
I am unconvinced a left wingnut will maximize the "I hate Trump's fucking guts" effect.
There is more Trump loathing middle to be had than far left. I don't want to alienate the never trump
Republicans and lunchpale moderate union type Democrats who didn't get any of their coal and manufacturing jobs as promised
than college flunkee barristas who defaulted on their government backed student loans.

[CFM]

Key Points

Sen. Bernie Sanders is making Democrats nervous. But some supporters say it’s not because he can’t win in 2020. It’s because he can.

The Vermont independent may have surprised the party’s establishment with his strong performance so far. He’s polling second, behind only former Vice President Joe Biden who has yet to enter the race, and he has raised more than other Democratic contenders.

“All their power is in giving money to politicians and controlling them. Bernie Sanders doesn’t want their money. They are going to fight Bernie Sanders harder than any Republican will,” progressive pundit Cenk Uygur says.

Sen. Bernie Sanders is making mainstream Democrats nervous.

But some of the presidential candidate’s supporters say it’s not because they’re worried Sanders can’t defeat President Donald Trump in 2020. It’s because he can, they say.

The Vermont democratic socialist may have surprised the party’s establishment with his strong performance so far. He’s been polling second, behind only former Vice President Joe Biden, who has yet to enter the race. Sanders also took the lead in an Emerson poll released Tuesday. He raised more than $18 million in the first quarter of 2019, the most money of any Democratic contender. And his base of loyal followers, who made him a force in the 2016 primary, has not gone anywhere.

“Bernie right now has a better chance of winning than the rest of field combined,” said Cenk Uygur, founder of progressive news network TYT and host of “The Young Turks,” who supported Sanders in 2016. Uygur has not decided whom he will back in 2020, but says he likes Sanders and Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass.

Uygur said the establishment’s concerns about Sanders raised in a New York Times article on Tuesday, will only make Sanders stronger.

The article quotes party insiders who fear that Sanders’ campaign will complicate efforts to defeat Trump. Their goal is to stop him from gaining more ground and certainly to thwart his chances of becoming the Democratic 2020 nominee.

David Brock, a political consultant, told the Times: “There’s a growing realization that Sanders could end up winning this thing, or certainly that he stays in so long that he damages the actual winner.”

Brock told the paper that he has had discussions with other operatives about an anti-Sanders campaign and believes it should commence “sooner rather than later.”

The Sanders campaign was not available for comment. The Democratic National Committee did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Already, a fight has erupted between Sanders and the Center for American Progress, a think tank that has ties to Hillary Clinton.

But Uygur sees another reason for the establishment’s concerns about Sanders: “The big Dem donors are not worried he’s going to lose the general election, they’re worried he’s going to win,” he tweeted on Tuesday.

Uygur’s point is that big money donors who back mainstream candidates will lose their positions of power in the face of a Sanders win. A political system corrupted by corporate cash and influence, he said, will finally fall if the democratic socialist who has proposed “Medicare for All,” free college education and a $15 minimum wage is elected.

“The people with the most money will lose all power, they will not be rewarded,” he said. “All their power is in giving money to politicians and controlling them. Bernie Sanders doesn’t want their money. They are going to fight Bernie Sanders harder than any Republican will.”

That could be a dangerous game: Attacking Sanders will “force everyone to rally around him,” Uygur said. “That’s why Bernie has always stood an excellent chance of winning. They can’t take away a small donor base. The more they attack him, the more he will raise.”

Indeed, the Sanders’ campaign is already fundraising on the party conflict, dashing off a pitch this week that read in part: “The Democratic establishment and high-dollar donors are already planning how to stop our campaign. They are terrified of our movement - as they should be.”

Ryan Grim, Washington bureau chief for progressive news site The Intercept, a former contributor to MSNBC and a contributor to the Young Turks Network also believes that establishment Democrats are afraid a Sanders win could upend the entire system they operate within.

“They couch that fear in claims that they’re worried he’ll lose,” he told CNBC. “Change is scary.”

Margo Baldwin, president of Vermont-based Chelsea Green Publishing, called the Democratic establishment “part of the power elite in bed with the banks and the moneyed interests.” The company published “Rules for Revolutionaries ” by former Sanders’ campaign staffers Becky Bond and Zack Exley, as well as “Essential Bernie Sanders and his Vision for America ” by Jonathan Tasini. “They don’t like Trump, but they don’t want to see real change,” Baldwin added.

She joked that the party doesn’t seem to like winning either, adding that they “can trot out Biden and they will lose.”

But Markos Moulitsas, founder and publisher of liberal blog Daily Kos said it’s not fear, “it’s frustration” that party insiders are feeling. He said in an email that Sanders is “a divisive person” who “roils the party.”

“As for the big donors, the best way to fight them is to build a small dollar machine that will power candidates at all levels of office,” Moulitsas said. He added, “But even if we succeed in building an entire party of small dollar donors, weep not for big corporate money. They’ll always have Republicans to buy.”

It’s certainly too early to tell where the race will end up, but for Sanders’ supporters, a replay of the infighting that happened in 2016 will not go over well.

“There will be no end to the fury,” Uygur said.

Must be a lot of freeloaders thinking they are owed free shit if Bernie is doing well.

[CFM]

I'd prefer a candidate guaranteed to attract the middle ground.

Only two things matter, defeating Trump in a humongous landslide and gaining in the legislative branches.
I am unconvinced a left wingnut will maximize the "I hate Trump's fucking guts" effect.
There is more Trump loathing middle to be had than far left. I don't want to alienate the never trump
Republicans and lunchpale moderate union type Democrats who didn't get any of their coal and manufacturing jobs as promised
than college flunkee barristas who defaulted on their government backed student loans.

The only thing that matters to a freeloaders like you is getting more free stuff at the expense of honorable hard-working people in this country. You aren't interested in making things better. You're interested in fulfilling so social justice bullshit.

[Earl]

2 things.
1, anti- Hillary, and 2.emphasis on income inequality. (mostly because of wages not rising under Obama creating poverty)

But sanders IS a Socialist - while Trump's policies have gotten good wage increase for lower income earners
( most of the Trump wage increase have gone to lower percentile earners).

Did you know that Bernie was a Socialist when you voted for him before?

Why would anyone support Socialism, an economy of death and starvation, over the proven efficacy of Capitalism?

[tinfoil]

The Young Turds? LOL

Cenk is a fucking idiot.