Mueller report concludes it was not needed to begin with

[dukkha]

It was indeed unprecedented, because there were prima facie grounds for suspecting that the campaign of a major presidential contender might have been compromised by a hostile foreign power. Such a suspicion had never arisen before in US history, but it did arise in 2016 and the possible implications were enormous.

I say this as someone who was always doubtful (50-50, you might say) on the collusion issue: it needed to be investigated.
If Barr wants to investigate some more, let him. We'll see what he finds.

per Lisa Page- this in terms of the Mueller investigation:
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/40...before-mueller
After nine months of using some of the most awesome surveillance powers afforded to U.S. intelligence, the FBI still had not made a case connecting Trump or his campaign to Russia’s election meddling.

Page opined further, acknowledging “it still existed in the scope of possibility that there would be literally nothing” to connect Trump and Russia, no matter what Mueller or the FBI did.

“As far as May of 2017, we still couldn’t answer the question,” she said at another point.

[dukkha]

You can be found guilty of obstruction in an investigation that fails to produce a crime.

The question is whether a prosecutor would waste time and resources on it. Throw in the fact there was no actionable obstruction involved [tampering with evidence, bribing witnesses etc] there’s a risk the case would be thrown out by a judge. And if it wasn’t, the likelihood of a hung jury or an acquittal looms large. Which again, points to why prosecutors wouldn’t waste their time with it. In fact, it explains why Mullet didn’t indict Trump with obstruction.

But, this is the TDS crowd we’re talking about—and it involves Trump lol.

there would have to be a corrupt obstruction of an investigation -Mueller does not allege this,
and in fact Mueller was given 100% cooperation by TrumpCo.

[dukkha]

Several people got fired, Trump refused to cooperate by not testifying in person, Trump tried many times to shut down the investigation.
And there were dozens and dozens of lies about meeting with Russians told by numerous people in the Trump campaign.

All of that is factual and not in dispute.

Mueller could have subpoena for Trump to testify. He would have lost
There was no requirement for verbal interview, they answered by written questioner.

[Truth Detector]

It was indeed unprecedented, because there were prima facie grounds for suspecting that the campaign of a major presidential contender might have been compromised by a hostile foreign power. Such a suspicion had never arisen before in US history, but it did arise in 2016, and the possible implications were enormous.

There was ZERO reason to believe this and you had to be the dumbest of dumb fucks to think that the cabal of corrupt Obama holdovers could pull this stupid fabrication off.

I say this as someone who was always doubtful (50-50, you might say) on the collusion issue: it needed to be investigated.
If Barr wants to investigate some more, let him. We'll see what he finds.

I hope he does; there are corrupt assholes like Comey, John Brennan, McCabe and James Robert Clapper Jr. that need to be walked off in handcuffs. The entire mainstream media and the Democratic Party of the Jackass have done more to make a mockery of our institutions and electoral process than any foreign entity could ever have hoped for.

You Fascistic morons on the left can be proud of the divisive damage you are doing and still continuing to do. I say burn all of your bridges and begin the impeachment proceedings.

QUOTE=Tranquillus in Exile; If the GOP doesn't do something about Trump before too long, they'll be fucked. That's the truth.

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How would you like to spend two years and $30 million assembling a report that concludes you were not needed in the first place? Voilà: the Mueller report. Nice work if you can get it.

The report is appropriately thick, D.C. thick. It takes more than 400 pages to state the obvious: There was no collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians to swing the 2016 election. Zip. Nada. Nothing to see here.

It goes on to tee up a question about obstruction of justice that the special counsel was not asked to investigate — and then doesn’t answer it. Wait. What?

These are some of the most elite prosecutors in the country, and they went full Hamlet on a legal determination a third-year law student would knock down between Budweisers. This is what we get for $30 million? Make a call; that’s your job as prosecutors.

It doesn’t seem the special counsel team is fooling anyone. It showed that it would indict a ham sandwich if it could. The obvious answer is that it had no confidence in a criminal obstruction case.

Instead, it punted to the Trump-appointed attorney general. One gets the sense this may have been by design.

Well, what about all the Russians who were indicted by Mueller’s team for trying to interfere with the election? Those were chip-shot FBI counterintelligence investigations that were well in flow when the special counsel took them over. They didn’t need special counsel magic.

Had they remained FBI-controlled cases, the indictments would have been sealed and the subjects arrested when they likely returned to the United States for more mischief in 2020. We can forget about that now.

Attorney General William Barr during his press conference early Thursday said that the “bottom line” is that no American coordinated, conspired or colluded with the Russian government to interfere in the presidential election. America should be grateful, he added.

No, America should be disgusted. Here’s a real bottom line: A cabal of politicians and bureaucrats frivolously and cynically manipulated the levers of government to further their own political greed and lust for power by trying to exploit a falsehood. It cost us over $30 million and needlessly pitted Americans against one another.
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-ho...was-not-needed

Fines on Manaford alone nearly paid for nearly the entire investigation

And Mueller did exactly what he was asked to do, investigate Russian influence in the election, and what he did find is that the Russians were all over the Trump campaign, about the only thing they didn't do was seemingly park cars.

Now given the next Trumpster is going to tell me "no collusion," no crime, and their "defense" that to critize Putin is to suffer from Russiaphobia, it makes you wonder if Putin is looking into starting a Super PAC for Trump for 2020, Trump's lemmings certainly wouldn't have any problem with it

[dukkha]

Fines on Manaford alone nearly paid for nearly the entire investigation

nobody cares

And Mueller did exactly what he was asked to do, investigate Russian influence in the election, and what he did find is that the Russians were all over the Trump campaign, about the only thing they didn't do was seemingly park cars.

Russians contacting Trump campaign is not at all criminal by TrumpCo.
Further there was NO EVIDENCE of collusion with those contacts
( some idiot Dem the other day said it was "passive collision")

Now given the next Trumpster is going to tell me "no collusion," no crime, and their "defense" that to critize Putin is to suffer from Russiaphobia, it makes you wonder if Putin is looking into starting a Super PAC for Trump for 2020, Trump's lemmings certainly wouldn't have any problem with it

da Russians!! -more horsehockey

[CharacterAssassin]

Jonathan Turley addressed obstruction in his recent column.

It basically came down to Mullet not knowing whether Trump had criminal intent when he discussed removing Mullet. In Mullet’s words ‘he couldn’t tell what Trump was thinking’ or to the effect.

That, coupled with the fact the investigation itself, produced no crime, equals no charge. Or maybe more precisely, no charge worth pursuing. Unless, you’re really bad desperate to impeach and remove a president.

And yes, any third year law student could knock it down between Budweisers.

LOL! You poor, stupid little thing.

A. Trump clearly obstructed, as Mueller demonstrated, and he intended for congress to address it. He couldn't bring any charge because of OLC policy.
B. The investigation most certainly DID produce crimes.
C. Mueller farmed out of a lot of indictments under seal to other DOJ branches.
D. His grand jury is still working

Obstruction.jpg

Always fun to watch Trump sycophants whistle past this graveyard.

✅ 20 ongoing federal and state investigations
✅ 14 referred Mueller prosecutions
✅ 2+ ongoing counterintelligence investigations
✅ 1 pending impeachable felony charge in NYC
✅ 1 pending impeachable felony before Congress
✅ 100+ Congressional subpoenas coming

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per Lisa Page- this in terms of the Mueller investigation:
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/40...before-mueller
After nine months of using some of the most awesome surveillance powers afforded to U.S. intelligence, the FBI still had not made a case connecting Trump or his campaign to Russia’s election meddling.

Page opined further, acknowledging “it still existed in the scope of possibility that there would be literally nothing” to connect Trump and Russia, no matter what Mueller or the FBI did.

“As far as May of 2017, we still couldn’t answer the question,” she said at another point.

The Email thing really is funny, they cherry picked a dozen or so phrases out of five thousand plus Emails and used them to formulate an orchestrated conspiracy. Let me repeat that, a dozen or so phrases out of five thousand plus Emails

Common sense alone dictates if this grand "deep state" plot existed you would think they could come up with more than a dozen phrases from five thousand Emails to verify its existence.

And the last thing Trump/Barr want is to regurgitate the offset of these investigations, you know there is a reason Trump never allowed the full unredacted version of those FICA applications to see the light of day even though his House stooges were screaming for them

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LOL! You poor, stupid little thing.

A. Trump clearly obstructed, as Mueller demonstrated, and he intended for congress to address it. He couldn't bring any charge because of OLC policy.
B. The investigation most certainly DID produce crimes.
C. Mueller farmed out of a lot of indictments under seal to other DOJ branches.
D. His grand jury is still working

Obstruction.jpg

Always fun to watch Trump sycophants whistle past this graveyard.

✅ 20 ongoing federal and state investigations
✅ 14 referred Mueller prosecutions
✅ 2+ ongoing counterintelligence investigations
✅ 1 pending impeachable felony charge in NYC
✅ 1 pending impeachable felony before Congress
✅ 100+ Congressional subpoenas coming

Interesting part is that no one knows what 12 of those 14 investigations Mueller refered to other justifications are all about

[Stretch]

Mueller could have subpoena for Trump to testify. He would have lost
There was no requirement for verbal interview, they answered by written questioner.

THAT...and the fact that Mullet said he already had enough material/info gathered not just from Trump.
Imagine that. And, just how long did Mullet have enough "juice" to not proceed with Russian collusion charges? 8 months? 15 months?
Mullet's a snake.

[dukkha]

The Email thing really is funny, they cherry picked a dozen or so phrases out of five thousand plus Emails and used them to formulate an orchestrated conspiracy. Let me repeat that, a dozen or so phrases out of five thousand plus Emails

Common sense alone dictates if this grand "deep state" plot existed you would think they could come up with more than a dozen phrases from five thousand Emails to verify its existence.

And the last thing Trump/Barr want is to regurgitate the offset of these investigations, you know there is a reason Trump never allowed the full unredacted version of those FICA applications to see the light of day even though his House stooges were screaming for them

the post you replied to has nothing to do with "Emails" ( and I think you mean texts between Page and Strzok)

we'll see -the IG report comes out soon -criminal referalls from Nunes to DoJ last week.
Barr isn't a weak kneed Sessions.

I gave you the reason the other day why Trump walked back the FISA release
per "5 Eyes" requests

[Darth Omar]

LOL! You poor, stupid little thing.

A. Trump clearly obstructed, as Mueller demonstrated, and he intended for congress to address it. He couldn't bring any charge because of OLC policy.
B. The investigation most certainly DID produce crimes.
C. Mueller farmed out of a lot of indictments under seal to other DOJ branches.
D. His grand jury is still working

Obstruction.jpg

Always fun to watch Trump sycophants whistle past this graveyard.

✅ 20 ongoing federal and state investigations
✅ 14 referred Mueller prosecutions
✅ 2+ ongoing counterintelligence investigations
✅ 1 pending impeachable felony charge in NYC
✅ 1 pending impeachable felony before Congress
✅ 100+ Congressional subpoenas coming

Good to know you’re still a good little Mullet fanboy after all this lol. It must have been a tough few weeks for you.

Just curious: how, exactly, did Trump ‘obstruct’ the investigation?

[dukkha]

THAT...and the fact that Mullet said he already had enough material/info gathered not just from Trump.
Imagine that. And, just how long did Mullet have enough "juice" to not proceed with Russian collusion charges? 8 months? 15 months?
Mullet's a snake.

very good! I forgot that.
Muelller said he had enough info to end the investigation - so why the pressing need to interview Trump?

Looking at the indictments -nothing remotely like a conspiracy ( collusion) was known by the end of 2017

[CharacterAssassin]

Good to know you’re still a good little Mullet fanboy after all this lol. It must have been a tough few weeks for you.

Just curious: how, exactly, did Trump ‘obstruct’ the investigation?

LOL! Good to see you're not emotionally equipped to deal with the criminality of your god.

Tough few weeks? Why would that be? Donnie Moscow is in extreme legal jeopardy.

And why ask questions that the Mueller Report answers?

Oh, right. You can't bare to face reality.

Got it. Thanks.

[Heff]

Conclusion one from the Mueller report - Russia interfered with the US election. That conclusion is supported by the indictments of several Russians. It also includes a lot of evidence.
Conclusion two - While the Trump campaign accepted help from Russia it didn't rise to criminal because the Trump campaign seemed to be unaware it is illegal to do so.
Conclusion three - Because of the DoJ standard of not indicting a President and because the DoJ also has a policy of giving people a chance to defend themselves in court if they accuse them, the Office decided they couldn't do anything more than lay out the evidence. To reach a conclusion would violate one of the 2 policies in place.

I would suggest you read the report. It lays out quite a bit of evidence of obstruction. Whether it is criminal is a question we don't have an answer to. Whether it is acceptable behavior by someone who has taken an oath to defend the Constitution should be pretty obvious.

Nonsense. No election occurs on social media. No election is affected by the poor security on DNC databases. The "Russia meddled in our election/democracy" canard is trash, DNC-invented piffle.