JPP NeverTrumpers are very silent

[BRUTALITOPS]

What's likeable about IHA?

I just know him more than you guys do. For one, he's straight up. No bullshit from ILA. Also he keeps his word on things. He's more normal then you guys think. lol.

[USFREEDOM911]

i like teflon

I like cawacko

I get what teflon is saying. There are certainly some nevertrumpers that seem to be very stubborn at a time where it's very clear liberals want to undo america. And it's not just being stubborn over someone that is like a liberal-lite but someone that has actually been pretty conservative overall and has knocked it out of the park with supreme court nominations. Which almost all conservatives agrees is one of our collective big issues. Being against trump because he talked about grabbing pussy or because he trolls on twitter seems the weakest of reasons to be against someone. I would hae more respect for an individual that was just like "no, I don't support his policies." I think that what teflo is getting at? That there seems to be a refusal to back someone that on paper literally supports probably 80%+ things you like and has been one of the most conservative politicians in a decade. I don't understand the motivation there.

I don't agree with trump on everything either. I maintained for a long time on JPP I was not a "trump supporter" because I don't like being put in a box, I believe in free trade, I don't like him trying to ban bump stocks, a few other things. But I would be lying if I denied I didn't like a lot of things he did as well. He's the only one fighting globalism, trying to reestablish nationalism (which is not a bad word and nothing to be ashamed of) He's the only one that is capable of kicking the shit out of liberal traitors. So that's where I am now.

At the same time, I do understand the need to have some people that try to maintain a more... restrained attitude to certain things. It's the same reason I like thing1 even though he's a dumbass liberal. because thing1 is someone I can still have a friendly conversation with. The cawackos have their uses in interfacing with more moderate types. I don't like being angry all the time and yelling at people. Everyone knows I am very chill and can be friends with people from both sides. I do believe that liberal elites are evil traitors, but I think most liberals and even conservatives on here are just useful idiots. Most people aren't able to take the red pill to see how corrupt our government is. I wouldn't want to believe in the deep state either.

If we bash the cawackos we will just drive them away. We don't do ourselves any favors by beating them into submission. They are potential allies. We need the cawackos.

Someone mentioned that Trump imposing tariffs is wrong and yet when the tariffs talked about, the other country seems to reconsider their stance.

[Flash]

I have noticed that in all the Collusion Delusion hysteria that has taken place on JPP, one group that has stayed on the sideline has been our trans righty NeverTrumpers. They haven't really taken a side on the issue.

I presume that deep down they have hoped Mueller would take Trump down, but they didn't want to be all TDS like JPP leftists.

My guess is that today was just as disappointing for them as it was for JPP Leftists. It was their last chance to say "I told you so".

Now they are pretty much fucked. They have no home. But, they do have Weld.

Sometimes people don't take sides until they have enough actual evidence to make a decision. That is unlike those on the left who think Trump committed every felony in the book or those on the right who think he did nothing illegal or unethical.

[BRUTALITOPS]

Someone mentioned that Trump imposing tariffs is wrong and yet when the tariffs talked about, the other country seems to reconsider their stance.

I don't necessarily oppose tarrifs to get leverage in negotiations... that part is a dicey issue for me. I suppose I mean I support free trade in a perfect world. When you put a tarrif on something the price gets jacked anyway and just passed on to the consumer. The only difference is the government gets their own piece. How is that good for joe american? If I want to buy a widget from china, I should be able to without the government middleman getting in the way.

[USFREEDOM911]

I don't necessarily oppose tarrifs to get leverage in negotiations... that part is a dicey issue for me. I suppose I mean I support free trade in a perfect world. When you put a tarrif on something the price gets jacked anyway and just passed on to the consumer. The only difference is the government gets their own piece. How is that good for joe american? If I want to buy a widget from china, I should be able to without the government middleman getting in the way.

I agree, but my point was; that when he says he's going to impose them, the other side wants to talk about things (all of a sudden like).

[Flash]

The contingent of people supporting Trump, today, are the people who were supporting Perot and the Reform Party during the 90s. They helped get Clinton elected (and RBG and Breyer onto the SC) while conservatives attempted to bring him down.

Except that Perot had 19% of the vote and Trump had 46%. Also, there is no evidence that those voting for Perot would have voted for Bush if Perot was not on the ballot.

[BRUTALITOPS]

I agree, but my point was; that when he says he's going to impose them, the other side wants to talk about things (all of a sudden like).

yup. As I said, I am not opposed to them for negotiation reasons. That's why philosophy and acting in a political manner aren't always compatible things. It's also why libertarians will never be elected to anything.

[Minister of Truth]

Except that Perot had 19% of the vote and Trump had 46%. Also, there is no evidence that those voting for Perot would have voted for Bush if Perot was not on the ballot.

It was split. More of them would have voted for Bush, however.

[USFREEDOM911]

yup. As I said, I am not opposed to them for negotiation reasons. That's why philosophy and acting in a political manner aren't always compatible things. It's also why libertarians will never be elected to anything.

Exactly and as I've said before; part of the libertarian problem is that they want to "shoot for the top" from the get go, instead of starting at the bottom (locally) and then working their way up the ladder.

Grind:
We've disagreed on many things, that had to do with this board; but I've always thought you were pretty level headed (until you just decide to dig in your heels for the sake of digging in your heels) and if I had the chance, I'd buy you a shot of Jack or whatever your preference is.

Hell, I even like Billy; aside from the fact that he seems to hate me.

[Flash]

It was split. More of them would have voted for Bush, however.

Yeah, it seemed logical they would vote for Bush, but voters are not always logical. I was surprised at how many in 2016 said they favored Trump if Sanders could not win and Sanders is Trump could not win. The "outsider" maverick label seemed more important than policy issues.

[Minister of Truth]

Yeah, it seemed logical they would, but voters are not always logical. I was surprised at how many in 2016 said they favored Trump if Sanders could not win and Sanders is Trump could not win. The "outsider" maverick label seemed more important than policy issues.

Yeah, some things never change. I remember back in HS, people would profess contempt of every classmate who was perceived as part of the "in-crowd" (I guess you could call that the Establishment). It didn't matter which ones were actually jerks, and which ones were actually decent-enough kids.

[anonymoose]

I think most NTer's have come around now that DJT has a 2 year track record of proven political success.

I wasn't an NT'er but I didn't like him at first. But I came around, in fact am now one of the Victory Friends. Trump is watching our backs, including leftists, they just can't admit it.
He's unusual and is his own man. The country voted for change and for once got it.
I'll bet there's a lot out there like me. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to find cawacko secretly voting for Trump.

[Sailor]

I wasn't an NT'er but I didn't like him at first. But I came around, in fact am now one of the Victory Friends. Trump is watching our backs, including leftists, they just can't admit it.
He's unusual and is his own man. The country voted for change and for once got it.
I'll bet there's a lot out there like me. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to find cawacko secretly voting for Trump.

Hmmm. Interesting thought.

[USFREEDOM911]

I wasn't an NT'er but I didn't like him at first. But I came around, in fact am now one of the Victory Friends. Trump is watching our backs, including leftists, they just can't admit it.
He's unusual and is his own man. The country voted for change and for once got it.
I'll bet there's a lot out there like me. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to find cawacko secretly voting for Trump.

For years, both sides screamed that they wanted someone in Washington (as the President) who wasn't beholding to lobbyists or anyone else; but after Trump being elected it now is obvious that what the left meant, what they wanted someone who wasn't beholding to anyone but the left/

[Bigdog]

I don't necessarily oppose tarrifs to get leverage in negotiations... that part is a dicey issue for me. I suppose I mean I support free trade in a perfect world. When you put a tarrif on something the price gets jacked anyway and just passed on to the consumer. The only difference is the government gets their own piece. How is that good for joe american? If I want to buy a widget from china, I should be able to without the government middleman getting in the way.

People have always asked, 'how can American workers possibly compete with cheap Chinese labor?'. Tariffs are the answer.