JPP NeverTrumpers are very silent

[anatta]

"demonizing Putin...."- sure, like demonizing Satan.

He's a KGB kleptocratic despot, you ignorant loser, and you CAN'T sanitize him with your St Petersberg splatterings online.
Everyone knows what the fuck he is, a kingpin of a crime syndicate atop a dangerous gigantic country.

Democrats have a policy agenda. We can just chew gum and call a criminal a criminal at the same time, stupid fuck.

So fuck yourself and die quickly.

Democrats have NO POLICY AGENDA except demonizing Putin.
No ideas on China hegemony/trade no concepts other the NATO expansion.
Do you support drilling in the arctic? of course not.
Demonizing Putin is ALL YOU GOT, and as a result the Sino-Russian war machine is now in synche, and strategic partners



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[anatta]

see how they run

[cawacko]

not personal for me -
first time I've heard you praise Trump, except for the judges - how about the economy and no wars?

I've said this multiple times before but I'll say it again. The two biggest reasons I didn't vote for Trump were his trade policies and his racial rhetoric/attitudes. But because I didn't vote for him doesn't mean I am automatically against everything he does such as what I listed above for what I support. It's the same with any other politician. Just one example is Bill Clinton cutting capital gains taxes. I didn't dislike that legislation because it was Clinton signing it. It's never a zero sum game for me where you support everything or are against everything someone does.

[anatta]

I've said this multiple times before but I'll say it again. The two biggest reasons I didn't vote for Trump were his trade policies and his racial rhetoric/attitudes. But because I didn't vote for him doesn't mean I am automatically against everything he does such as what I listed above for what I support. It's the same with any other politician. Just one example is Bill Clinton cutting capital gains taxes. I didn't dislike that legislation because it was Clinton signing it. It's never a zero sum game for me where you support everything or are against everything someone does.

trade policies?? you mean you support the current Chinese theft of IPRights, forced joint ventures etc?
How about NAFTA 2 -a much better agreement then NAFTA.

Do you think Congress should ratify NAFTA 2? China trade talks coming to conclusion soon -
no other POTUS would even attempt this

[cawacko]

trade policies?? you mean you support the current Chinese theft of IPRights, forced joint ventures etc? How about NAFTA 2 -a much better agreement then NAFTA.

Do you think Congress should ratify NAFTA 2? China trade talks coming to conclusion soon -
no other POTUS would even attempt this

I'm fine with going after China for their theft but I am not fine with a trade war and massive tariffs. I have never supported tariffs and I'm not going to start now. There's no mainstream economic libertarian thought that I'm aware of that supports massive tariffs. This is not the Republican Party I grew up on (free people, free markets). I understand the Libertarian argument against NAFTA but on the whole I'd say it's been relatively successful. So this renegotiating of it is doing very little different. It's a lot of rhetoric.

The ultimate result is these trade policies are holding back economic growth.

[anatta]

I'm fine with going after China for their theft but I am not fine with a trade war and massive tariffs. I have never supported tariffs and I'm not going to start now. There's no mainstream economic libertarian thought that I'm aware of that supports massive tariffs. This is not the Republican Party I grew up on (free people, free markets). I understand the Libertarian argument against NAFTA but on the whole I'd say it's been relatively successful. So this renegotiating of it is doing very little different. It's a lot of rhetoric.

The ultimate result is these trade policies are holding back economic growth.

there is no other way to go up against China except for tariffs , and they are a tool, not permanent

NAFTA 2 is a big improvement on auto parts- shuts out the China suppliers etc.

The WTO is a joke- Chines "courts' are laughable venues to adjudicate dispute.
It has to be done under a new bilateral agreement and the only way to get China to the table was thru tariffs..

we'll get you there!! 4 more years hopefully and you'll come around

[canceled.2021.2]

Where to begin...

So you disagree with everything McCain, Romney and Bush voted for? They never supported anything conservative?

I support Trump cutting taxes. I support Trump and his environmental deregulation. I support the judges Trump has put on the bench. Those are traditional conservative positions and I have expressed my support for them. Would you like me to create more threads praising Trump for those actions? Is that your issue, that I don't outwardly praise him enough? Since when did being a conservative mean we have to continually praise a politician? (other than Reagan)

As far as NeverTrumpers I've called out Jennifer Rubin multiple times but according to you it's only acceptable to call out Bill Kristol. That's news to me. I wasn't aware I was suppose to read Kristol and comment on him. I'll make sure I add him to my reading list just for you ILA.

This is 100% personal to you ILA. It's why you talk about me so much and get so upset. It's personal and about race.

It is so not personal. It is laughable that you think so. You are a narcissist of the highest order of you think I care that much about what you do. I assure you that I do not.

As for race? That is your lame excuse. I didn’t bring up race one time in my post

As for the Bush’s and McShamnesty? Name their big conservative achievements? Bush cut taxes. Awesome. What else? Defund planned parenthood? Nope

Big government is what we got from all three of them

[Minister of Truth]

Trump has no character. That is not a leftist argument against him, seeing as how character is the most fundamental value of conservatism. It is also why IHA is not a conservative.

As far as protest votes are concerned, it was recently brought to my attention in an NR article that either Kirk or Buckley voted for a socialist in 1948, and made some other odd protest votes in subsequent years.

[Jade Dragon]

Trump has no character. That is not a leftist argument against him, seeing as how character is the most fundamental value of conservatism. It is also why IHA is not a conservative.

It should be, they were adamant about it in the past, especially when dealing with the Clinton scandal. Now it's too much shit don't stink issues. If conservatives ever try to complain about character in future presidents, everyone has the right to laugh.

[Minister of Truth]

It should be, they were adamant about it in the past, especially when dealing with the Clinton scandal. Now it's too much shit don't stink issues. If conservatives ever try to complain about character in future presidents, everyone has the right to laugh.

The contingent of people supporting Trump, today, are the people who were supporting Perot and the Reform Party during the 90s. They helped get Clinton elected (and RBG and Breyer onto the SC) while conservatives attempted to bring him down.

[cawacko]

It is so not personal. It is laughable that you think so. You are a narcissist of the highest order of you think I care that much about what you do. I assure you that I do not.

As for race? That is your lame excuse. I didn’t bring up race one time in my post

As for the Bush’s and McShamnesty? Name their big conservative achievements? Bush cut taxes. Awesome. What else? Defund planned parenthood? Nope

Big government is what we got from all three of them

You “don’t care” about what I do yet you started a thread about me and 3D and you constantly reference “trans righties” aka yours truly. You call no else a trans righty but me. So sure thing ILA.

I didn’t say you referenced race in this thread. You whole issue with me is over race. It’s why you say you trust the alt right over me (trans rightys). It’s all about race

[BRUTALITOPS]

i like teflon

I like cawacko

I get what teflon is saying. There are certainly some nevertrumpers that seem to be very stubborn at a time where it's very clear liberals want to undo america. And it's not just being stubborn over someone that is like a liberal-lite but someone that has actually been pretty conservative overall and has knocked it out of the park with supreme court nominations. Which almost all conservatives agrees is one of our collective big issues. Being against trump because he talked about grabbing pussy or because he trolls on twitter seems the weakest of reasons to be against someone. I would hae more respect for an individual that was just like "no, I don't support his policies." I think that what teflo is getting at? That there seems to be a refusal to back someone that on paper literally supports probably 80%+ things you like and has been one of the most conservative politicians in a decade. I don't understand the motivation there.

I don't agree with trump on everything either. I maintained for a long time on JPP I was not a "trump supporter" because I don't like being put in a box, I believe in free trade, I don't like him trying to ban bump stocks, a few other things. But I would be lying if I denied I didn't like a lot of things he did as well. He's the only one fighting globalism, trying to reestablish nationalism (which is not a bad word and nothing to be ashamed of) He's the only one that is capable of kicking the shit out of liberal traitors. So that's where I am now.

At the same time, I do understand the need to have some people that try to maintain a more... restrained attitude to certain things. It's the same reason I like thing1 even though he's a dumbass liberal. because thing1 is someone I can still have a friendly conversation with. The cawackos have their uses in interfacing with more moderate types. I don't like being angry all the time and yelling at people. Everyone knows I am very chill and can be friends with people from both sides. I do believe that liberal elites are evil traitors, but I think most liberals and even conservatives on here are just useful idiots. Most people aren't able to take the red pill to see how corrupt our government is. I wouldn't want to believe in the deep state either.

If we bash the cawackos we will just drive them away. We don't do ourselves any favors by beating them into submission. They are potential allies. We need the cawackos.

[cawacko]

i like teflon

I like cawacko

I get what teflon is saying. There are certainly some nevertrumpers that seem to be very stubborn at a time where it's very clear liberals want to undo america. And it's not just being stubborn over someone that is like a liberal-lite but someone that has actually been pretty conservative overall and has knocked it out of the park with supreme court nominations. Which almost all conservatives agrees is one of our collective big issues. Being against trump because he talked about grabbing pussy or because he trolls on twitter seems the weakest of reasons to be against someone. I would hae more respect for an individual that was just like "no, I don't support his policies." I think that what teflo is getting at? That there seems to be a refusal to back someone that on paper literally supports probably 80%+ things you like and has been one of the most conservative politicians in a decade. I don't understand the motivation there.

I don't agree with trump on everything either. I maintained for a long time on JPP I was not a "trump supporter" because I don't like being put in a box, I believe in free trade, I don't like him trying to ban bump stocks, a few other things. But I would be lying if I denied I didn't like a lot of things he did as well. He's the only one fighting globalism, trying to reestablish nationalism (which is not a bad word and nothing to be ashamed of) He's the only one that is capable of kicking the shit out of liberal traitors. So that's where I am now.

At the same time, I do understand the need to have some people that try to maintain a more... restrained attitude to certain things. It's the same reason I like thing1 even though he's a dumbass liberal. because thing1 is someone I can still have a friendly conversation with. The cawackos have their uses in interfacing with more moderate types. I don't like being angry all the time and yelling at people. Everyone knows I am very chill and can be friends with people from both sides. I do believe that liberal elites are evil traitors, but I think most liberals and even conservatives on here are just useful idiots. Most people aren't able to take the red pill to see how corrupt our government is. I wouldn't want to believe in the deep state either.

If we bash the cawackos we will just drive them away. We don't do ourselves any favors by beating them into submission. They are potential allies. We need the cawackos.

Maybe it's because I've lived in California for 30 years and San Francisco for 20 but I will never be a democrat or liberal. At the same time it doesn't mean I have to have the same (racial) beliefs as ILA. He's fond of saying "you don't fight". Ummm, in the real world I've been called racist by people in San Francisco who I know because I'm a Republican and I've stood up for my Republican/conservative beliefs. I'm not talking about an anonymous message board, I'm talking real life.

In the real world I've had minority friends say "I thought you were cool man I didn't know you were a Republican". Again, I could have taken the easy way out years ago and become a Democrat if all I wanted to do was fit in. So I'm not all that concerned about what some random guy on the internet who is too afraid to even say what state he lives in has to think. It's easy to be an internet warrior like ILA. Let's talk real world and your experiences standing up for what you believe around people in your circle who are judging you. (and I'm not talking about you Grind)

[Minister of Truth]

i like teflon

I like cawacko

I get what teflon is saying. There are certainly some nevertrumpers that seem to be very stubborn at a time where it's very clear liberals want to undo america. And it's not just being stubborn over someone that is like a liberal-lite but someone that has actually been pretty conservative overall and has knocked it out of the park with supreme court nominations. Which almost all conservatives agrees is one of our collective big issues. Being against trump because he talked about grabbing pussy or because he trolls on twitter seems the weakest of reasons to be against someone. I would hae more respect for an individual that was just like "no, I don't support his policies." I think that what teflo is getting at? That there seems to be a refusal to back someone that on paper literally supports probably 80%+ things you like and has been one of the most conservative politicians in a decade. I don't understand the motivation there.

I don't agree with trump on everything either. I maintained for a long time on JPP I was not a "trump supporter" because I don't like being put in a box, I believe in free trade, I don't like him trying to ban bump stocks, a few other things. But I would be lying if I denied I didn't like a lot of things he did as well. He's the only one fighting globalism, trying to reestablish nationalism (which is not a bad word and nothing to be ashamed of) He's the only one that is capable of kicking the shit out of liberal traitors. So that's where I am now.

At the same time, I do understand the need to have some people that try to maintain a more... restrained attitude to certain things. It's the same reason I like thing1 even though he's a dumbass liberal. because thing1 is someone I can still have a friendly conversation with. The cawackos have their uses in interfacing with more moderate types. I don't like being angry all the time and yelling at people. Everyone knows I am very chill and can be friends with people from both sides. I do believe that liberal elites are evil traitors, but I think most liberals and even conservatives on here are just useful idiots. Most people aren't able to take the red pill to see how corrupt our government is. I wouldn't want to believe in the deep state either.

If we bash the cawackos we will just drive them away. We don't do ourselves any favors by beating them into submission. They are potential allies. We need the cawackos.

What's likeable about IHA?

[BRUTALITOPS]

Maybe it's because I've lived in California for 30 years and San Francisco for 20 but I will never be a democrat or liberal. At the same time it doesn't mean I have to have the same (racial) beliefs as ILA. He's fond of saying "you don't fight". Ummm, in the real world I've been called racist by people in San Francisco who I know because I'm a Republican and I've stood up for my Republican/conservative beliefs. I'm not talking about an anonymous message board, I'm talking real life.

In the real world I've had minority friends say "I thought you were cool man I didn't know you were a Republican". Again, I could have taken the easy way out years ago and become a Democrat if all I wanted to do was fit in. So I'm not all that concerned about what some random guy on the internet who is too afraid to even say what state he lives in has to think. It's easy to be an internet warrior like ILA. Let's talk real world and your experiences standing up for what you believe around people in your circle who are judging you. (and I'm not talking about you Grind)

I think the reason I can get along with liberals as well is because I have lived in mass nearly my whole life. For me, I didn't have a fucking choice. It was either that or have no friends. Everyone here is liberal. All my teachers, all my peers, they were all liberal. The subcultures I am in (like going to small shows for bands) basically all have total SJW's. I used to work at a place where I was like 1 of 3 straight white dudes. I made everyone love me. I know how to navigate these types of people.

So I know how to be friends with people that I think are politically fucking retarded and just find other things in common. I think if those that have lived in the south and around people that are more like them politically, they have more of a luxury of just being like "fuck all of them"

Now again, I am talking about normal people. I think those that run the deepstate are utterly corrupt and are our enemies.

Regarding you specifically cawacko, I have to admit I don't understand where you are coming from on this. Disagreeing with trump I get. I don't get you wanting to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Do you really think bush or romney or mccain were better, more conservative choices?