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Thread: OK, We Need A New Law: A Special Counsel Report Automatically Goes To H+S Committees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    I am now. The left forced me into it.
    Obviously, using your own brain to seek the truth was not employed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Yes. He was the primary reason for this.
    This protects the innocent. The investigation is to discover criminal acts, not embarrassing ones. If there is no crime, you don't need to know.
    Trump is innocent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    We have a hole in our checks and balances system.

    Big hole.

    The way current law reads, The only entity which can indict the President is not entitled to see the results of any FBI investigation of the President. The only entity which is entitled to see the entire results of any FBI investigation is prevented by law from issuing any indictment.

    That's a pretty big gaping hole.
    I don't think it is a check on the executive branch when the executive branch is conducting the investigation. Congress has the power to subpoena, investigate, impeach, and convict. The proper checks on the executive branch comes from Congress (and the courts) and they have the power to perform that function.

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    Hello Celticguy,

    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    you might remember how Ken Starr's every finding seemed to make it into the news right ? this legislation was intended to spare future subjects of investigation from this.
    Right. But now we see the problem with that.

    And note: I didn't not propose that all these findings be made public.
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    Hello Flash,

    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    I don't think it is a check on the executive branch when the executive branch is conducting the investigation. Congress has the power to subpoena, investigate, impeach, and convict. The proper checks on the executive branch comes from Congress (and the courts) and they have the power to perform that function.
    Right. But now we see that process is too cumbersome to be effective. Sure. That's going to happen if We the People are not satisfied with taking the President's word that this is a complete exoneration. So now what. We enter a phase of brand new investigations begun by Congress? To do what has already been done? Just to get information that is not being turned over? And how effective can those investigations be now that so much time has gone by?

    No!

    That's not an effective checks and balances system.

    The results of any investigation need to go to those who have the power to act upon it.

    What good is an investigation that is controlled by the one being investigated?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Flash,



    Right. But now we see that process is too cumbersome to be effective. Sure. That's going to happen if We the People are not satisfied with taking the President's word that this is a complete exoneration. So now what. We enter a phase of brand new investigations begun by Congress? To do what has already been done? Just to get information that is not being turned over? And how effective can those investigations be now that so much time has gone by?

    No!

    That's not an effective checks and balances system.

    The results of any investigation need to go to those who have the power to act upon it.

    What good is an investigation that is controlled by the one being investigated?
    My point exactly. Either the Justice Department can choose to further investigate any issues and/or Congress can choose to take action. Congress has the same report everyone else does and have the facts is more important than having intelligence sources revealed or grand jury testimony made public (which Congress does not have the power to do).

    The issue is simply whether a majority of the House members are willing to vote to impeach based on existing evidence only to see the conviction fail to get a 2/3 Senate vote. The whole point is to keep controversy in the news until the 2020 election. If Congress really cared they would be holding hearings on how to prevent future Russian interference. They could probably start by passing a law prohibiting U. S. interference in foreign elections.

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    Hello Flash,

    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    My point exactly. Either the Justice Department can choose to further investigate any issues and/or Congress can choose to take action. Congress has the same report everyone else does and have the facts is more important than having intelligence sources revealed or grand jury testimony made public (which Congress does not have the power to do).

    The issue is simply whether a majority of the House members are willing to vote to impeach based on existing evidence only to see the conviction fail to get a 2/3 Senate vote. The whole point is to keep controversy in the news until the 2020 election. If Congress really cared they would be holding hearings on how to prevent future Russian interference. They could probably start by passing a law prohibiting U. S. interference in foreign elections.
    Those are some very good thoughts. And I agree. Congress needs to have everything the Justice Department has. Such as the full unredacted Mueller Report.
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