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    Default Trump: Its fake news.... Mueller report.... Nope.

    When the New York Times reported that Trump ordered Don McGahan to tell the AG to fire Mueller, Trump screamed... FAKE NEWS.

    BAM

    Page 216 of the Report.


    Not FAKE NEWS. Whose fake news? DONALD J. TRUMP's administration.
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    It's over....

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    How is that not Obstruction?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TOP View Post
    It's over....
    Indeed it is...over.

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    Since neither Mueller nor Barr can prove he is guilty of obstruction, he is INNOCENT...in the eyes of the laws and in the eyes of fair minded Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    When the New York Times reported that Trump ordered Don McGahan to tell the AG to fire Mueller, Trump screamed... FAKE NEWS.

    BAM

    Page 216 of the Report.


    Not FAKE NEWS. Whose fake news? DONALD J. TRUMP's administration.
    When was Mueller fired?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    When the New York Times reported that Trump ordered Don McGahan to tell the AG to fire Mueller, Trump screamed... FAKE NEWS.

    BAM

    Page 216 of the Report.


    Not FAKE NEWS. Whose fake news? DONALD J. TRUMP's administration.
    LINK

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    When was Mueller fired?
    Only because his people disobey him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfreak View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    Only because his people disobey him.
    When was Mueller fired?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    How is that not Obstruction?
    You tell us, counselor. What's the statute say? And why are you bitching about it on a political forum? You should be penning a sternly worded missive to the Honorable Attorney General Mr. Barr, lawyer to lawyer. I'm sure he's waiting to hear from you!
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    That is clear obstruction of justice.

    I support impeachment.
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    Rumppers, think about it this way, are you going to be okay with the precedent that if a Democratic President fires anyone trying to investigating him, its okay?

    That idea effectively would put anyone above the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    When the New York Times reported that Trump ordered Don McGahan to tell the AG to fire Mueller, Trump screamed... FAKE NEWS.

    BAM

    Page 216 of the Report.


    Not FAKE NEWS. Whose fake news? DONALD J. TRUMP's administration.
    Page 216???? Dumb fuck.

    TABLE OF CONTENTS- VOLUME I
    INTRODUCTION TO VOLUME I 1
    EXECUTIVE SUMMARY TO VOLUME 1. 4
    I. THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S INVESTIGATION 11
    II. RUSSIAN "ACTIVE MEASURES" SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGN 14
    A. Structure of the Internet Research Agency 15
    B. Funding and Oversight from Concord and Prigozhin 16
    C. The IRA Targets U.S. Elections 19
    1. The IRA Ramps Up U.S. Operations As Early As 2014 19
    2. U.S. Operations Through IRA-Controlled Social Media Accounts 22
    3. U.S. Operations Through Facebook 24
    4. U.S. Operations Through Twitter 26
    a. Individualized Accounts 26
    b. IRA Botnet Activities 28
    5. U.S. Operations Involving Political Rallies 29
    6. Targeting and Recruitment of U.S. Persons 31
    7. Interactions and Contacts with the Trump Campaign 33
    a. Trump Campaign Promotion ofIRA Political Mater ials 33
    b. Contact with Trump Campaign Officia ls in Connection to Rallies 35
    III. RUSSIAN H ACKING AND DUMPING OPERATIONS 36
    A. GRU Hacking Directed at the Clinton Campaign 36
    1. GRU Units Target the Clinton Campaign 36
    2. Intrusions into the DCCC and DNC Networks 38
    a. Initial Access 38
    b. Implantation of Malware on DCCC and DNC Networks 38
    c. Theft of Documents from DNC and DCCC Networks 40
    B. Dissemination of the Hacked Materia ls 41
    1. DCLeaks 41
    2. Guccifer 2.0 42
    3. Use of WikiLeaks 44
    a. WikiLeaks's Expressed Opposition Toward the Clinton Campaign 44
    b. WikiLeaks ' s First Contact with Guccifer 2.0 and DCLeaks 45







    c. The GRU's Transfer of Stolen Materials to WikiLeaks 45

    d·.

    WikiLeaks Statements Dissembling About the Source of Stolen Materials 48

    C. Additional GRU Cyber Operations 49
    l. Summer and Fall 2016 Operations Targeting Democrat-Linked Victims 49
    2. Intrusions Targeting the Administration of U.S. Elections 50
    D. Trump Campaign and the Dissemination of Hacked Materials 51
    l. .................................................. ............................................51
    a. Background 51
    b. Contacts with the Campaign about WikiLeaks 52
    C. Harm to Ongoing Matter 54
    d. WikiLeaks's October 7, 2016 Release of Stolen Podesta Emails 58
    e. Donald Trump Jr. Interaction with WikiLeaks 59
    2. Other Potential Campaign Interest in Russian Hacked Materials 61
    a. Henry Oknyansky (alk/a Henry Greenberg) 61
    b. Campaign Efforts to Obtain Deleted Clinton Emails 62
    IV. RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT LINKS To AND CONTACTS WITH THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN 66
    A. Campaign Period (September 2015 -November 8, 2016) 66
    1. Trump Tower Moscow Project 67
    a. Trump Tower Moscow Venture with the Crocus Group (2013-2014) 67
    b. Communications with LC. Expert Investment Company and Giorgi Rtskhiladze (Summer and Fall 2015) 69
    c. Letter of Intent and Contacts to Russian Government (October 2015- January 2016) 70
    i. Trump Signs the Letter of Intent on behalf of the Trump Organization 70
    ii. Post-LOI Contacts with Individuals in Russia 72
    d. Discussions about Russia Travel by Michael Cohen or Candidate Trump (December 2015-June 2016) 76
    i. Sater' s Overtures to Cohen to Travel to Russia 76
    ii. Candidate Trump's Opportunities to Travel to Russia 78
    2. George Papadopoulos 80
    a. Origins of Campaign Work 81
    b. Initial Russia -Related Contacts 82
    c. March 31 Foreign Policy Team Meeting 85
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    d. George Papadopoulos Learns That Russia Has "Dirt" in the Form of Clinton Emails 86
    e. Russia-Related Communications With The Campaign 89
    f. Trump Campaign Knowledge of "Dirt" 93
    g. Additional George Papadopoulos Contact. 94
    3. Carter Page 95
    a. Background 96
    b. Origins of and Early Campaign Work 97
    c. Carter Page's July 2016 Trip To Moscow 98
    d. Later Campaign Work and Removal from the Campaign 102
    4. Dimitri Simes and the Center for the National Interest 103
    a. CNI and Dimitri Simes Connect with the Trump Campaign 103
    b. National Interest Hosts a Foreign Policy Speech at the Mayflower Hotel
    .................................................. .................................................. ................. 105
    c. Jeff Sessions's Post-Speech Interactions with CNI 107
    d. Jared Kushner's Continuing Contacts with Simes 108
    5. June 9, 2016 Meeting at Trump Tower....................................., 110
    a. Setting Up the June 9 Meeting 110
    i. Outreach to Donald Trump Jr 110
    ii. Awareness of the Meeting Within the Campaign 114
    b. The Events of June 9, 2016 116
    i. Arrangements for the Meeting 116
    ii. Conduct of the Meeting 117
    c. Post-June 9 Events 120
    6. Events at the Republican National Convention 123
    a. Ambassador Kislyak's Encounters with Senator Sessions and J.D. Gordon the Week of the RNC 123
    b. Change to Republican Party Platform 124
    7. Post-Convention Contacts with Kislyak 127
    a. Ambassador Kislyak Invites J.D. Gordon to Breakfast at the Ambassador's Residence 127
    b. Senator Sessions's September 2016 Meeting with Ambassador Kislyak 127
    8. Paul Manafort 129
    a. Paul Manafort's Ties to Russia and Ukraine 131

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    i. Oleg Deripaska Consulting Work 131
    11. Political Consulting Work 132
    iii. Konstantin Kilimnik 132
    b. Contacts during Paul Manafort's Time with the Trump Campaign 134
    i. Paul Manafort Joins the Campaign 134
    ii. Paul Manafort's Campaign-Period Contacts 135
    iii. Paul Manafort's Two Campaign-Period Meetings with Konstantin Kilimnik in the United States 138
    c. Post-Resignation Activities 141
    B. Post-Election and Transition-Period Contacts 144
    1. Immediate Post-Election Activity 144
    a. Outreach from the Russian Government. 145
    b. High-Level Encouragement of Contacts through Alternative Channels 146
    2. Kirill Dmitriev's Transition-Era Outreach to the Incoming Administration 147
    a. Background 147
    b. Kirill Dmitriev's Post-Election Contacts With the Incoming Administration 149
    c. Erik Prince and Kirill Dmitriev Meet in the Seychelles 151
    1. George Nader and Erik Prince Arrange Seychelles Meeting with Dmitriev 151
    ii. The Seychelles Meetings 153
    iii. Erik Prince's Meeting with Steve Bannon after the Seychelles Trip 155
    d. Kirill Dmitriev's Post-Election Contact with Rick Gerson Regarding
    U.S.-Russia Relations 156
    3. Ambassador Kislyak's Meeting with Jared Kushner and Michael Flynn in
    Trump Tower Following the Election 159
    4. Jared Kushner's Meeting with Sergey Gorkov 161
    5. Petr Aven's Outreach Efforts to the Transition Team 163
    6. Carter Page Contact with Deputy Prime Minister Arkady Dvorkovich 166
    7. Contacts With and Through Michael T. Flynn 167
    a. United Nations Vote on Israeli Settlements 167
    b. U.S. Sanctions Against Russia 168
    V. PROSECUTION AND DECLINATION DECISIONS 174
    A. Russian "Active Measures" Social Media Campaign 174

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    B. Russian Hacking and Dumping Operations 175
    1. Section 1030 Computer-Intrusion Conspiracy 175
    a. Background 175
    b. Charging Decision As to 176
    2. Potential Section 1030 Violation By 179
    C. Russian Government Outreach and Contacts 180
    1. Potential Coordination: Conspiracy and Collusion 180
    2. Potential Coordination: Foreign Agent Statutes (FARA and 18 U.S.C. § 951). 181 a. Governing Law 181
    b. Application 182
    3. Campaign Finance 183
    a. Overview Of Governing Law 184
    b. Application to June 9 Trump Tower Meeting 185
    i. Thing-of-Value Element 186
    ii. Witlfulness 187
    iii. Difficulties in Valuing Promised Information 188
    c. Application to WikiLeaks
    1.
    11. Willfulness 190
    iii . Constitutional Considerations 190
    iv. Analysis 190
    4. False Statements and Obstruction of the Investigation 191
    a. Overview Of Governing Law 191
    b. Application to Certain Individuals 192
    i. George Papadopoulos 192
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    111. Michael Flynn 194
    iv. Michael Cohen 195
    V. .................. .................................................. ..........196
    vi. Jeff Sessions 197
    vii. Others Interviewed During the Investigation 198


    TABLE OF CONTENTS - VOLUME II
    INTRODUCTION TO VOLUME TT 1
    EXECUTIVE SUMMARY TO VOLUME II 3
    I. BACKGROUND LEGAL AND EVTDENTIARY PRINCIPLES 9
    A. Legal Framework of Obstructi_on of Justice 9
    B. Investigative and Evidentiary Considerations 12
    II. FACTUAL RESULTS OF THE OBSTRUCTION INVESTIGATION 15
    A. The Campaign 's Response to Reports About Russian Support for Trump 15
    1. Press Reports Allege Links Between the Trump Campaign and Russia 16
    2. The Trump Campaign Reacts to WikiLeaks's Release of Hacked Emails 17
    3. The Trump Campaign Reacts to Allegations That Russia was Seeking to
    Aid Candidate Trump 18
    4. After the Election, Trump Continues to Deny Any Contacts or
    Connections with Russia or That Russia Aided his Election 21
    B. The President's Conduct Concerning the Investigation of Michael Flynn 24
    1. Incoming National Security Advisor Flynn Discusses Sanctions on Russia
    with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak 24
    2. President-Elect Trump is Briefed on the Intelligence Community's Assessment of Russian Interference in the Election and Congress Opens
    Election-Interference Investigations 27
    3. Flynn Makes False Statements About his Communications with Kislyak to Incoming Adm inist ra tion Officials, the Media, and the FBI 29
    4. DOJ Officials Notify the White House of Their Concerns About Flynn 31
    5. McGahn has a Follow-Up Meeting About Flynn with Yates; President
    Trump has Dinner with FBI Director Corney 32
    6. Flynn's Resignation 36
    7. The President Discusses Flynn with FBI Director Corney 38
    8. The Media Raises Questions About the President's Delay in Terminating Flynn 41
    9. The President Attempts to Have K.T. McFarland Create a Witness
    Statement Denying that he Directed Flynn's Discussions with Kislyak 42
    C. The President's Reaction to Public Confirmation of the FBI' s Russia
    Investigation 48
    1. Attorney General Sessions Recuses From the Russia Investigation 48


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    2. FBI Director Corney Publicly Confirms the Existence of the Russia
    Investigation in Testimony Before HPSCI 52
    3. The President Asks Intelligence Community Leaders to Make Public
    Statements that he had No Connection to Russia 55
    4. The President Asks Corney to "Lift theCloud" Created by the Russia Investigation 57
    D. Events Leading Up To and Surrounding the Termination of FBI Director
    Corney 62
    1. Corney Testifies Before the Senate Judiciary Committee and Declines to
    Answer Questions About Whether the President is Under Investigation 62
    2. The President Makes the Decision to Terminate Corney 64
    E. The President's Efforts to Remove the Special Counsel. 77
    1. The Appointment of the Special Counsel and the President' s Reaction 78
    2. The President Asserts that the Special Counsel has Conflicts oflnterest. 80
    3. The Press Reports that the President is Being Investigated for Obstruction of Justice and the President Directs the White House Counsel to Have the
    Special Counsel Removed 84
    F. The President's Efforts to Curtail the Special Counsel Investigation 90
    l. The President Asks Corey Lewandowski to Deliver a Message to Sessions
    to Curtail the Special Counsel Investigation 90
    2. The President Follows Up with Lewandowski 92
    3. The President Publicly Criticizes Sessions in a New York Times Interview 93
    4. The President Orders Priebus to Demand Sessions's Resignation 94
    G. The President's Efforts to Prevent Disclosure of Emails About the June 9,
    2016 Meeting Between Russians and Senior Campaign Officials 98
    1. The President Learns About the Existence of Emails Concerning the June
    9, 2016 Trump Tower Meeting 98
    2. The President Directs Communications Staff Not to Publicly Disclose Information About the June 9 Meeting .................................................. ............. l 00
    3. The President Directs Trump Jr.'s Response to Press Inquiries About the
    June 9 Meeting 101
    4. The Media Reports on the June 9, 2016 Meeting 103
    H. The President's Further Efforts to Have the Attorney General Take Over
    the Investigation 107
    1. The President Again Seeks to Have Sessions Reverse his Recusal. 107
    2. Additional Efforts to Have Sessions Unrecuse or Direct Investigations
    Covered by his Recusal. 109

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    I. The President Orders McGahn to Deny that the President Tried to Fire the
    Special Counsel 113
    1_. The Press Reports that the President Tried to Fire the Special Counsel. 113
    2. The President Seeks to Have McGahn Dispute the Press Reports 114
    J. The President's Conduct Towards Flynn, Manafort,ma 120
    1. Conduct Directed at Michael Flynn 120
    2. Conduct Directed at Paul Manafort .................................................. · 122
    3. Harm to Ongoing Matter 128
    K. The President's Conduct Involving Michael Cohen 134
    I. Candidate Trump 's Awareness of and Involvement in the Trump Tower
    Moscow Project 134
    2. Cohen Determines to Adhere to a "Party Line" Distancing Candidate
    Trump From Russia 138
    3. Cohen Submits False Statements to Congress Minimizing the Trump
    Tower Moscow Project in Accordance with the Party Line 139
    4. The President Sends Messages of Support to Cohen 144
    5. The President's Conduct After Cohen Began Cooperating with the Government. 148
    L. Overarching Factual Issues 156
    III. LEGAL DEFENSES To THE APPLICATION OF OBSTRUCTION-OF-JUSTICE STATUTES To THE
    PRESIDENT 159
    A. Statutory Defenses to the Application of Obstruction-Of-Justice Provisions
    to the Conduct Under Investigation 160
    1. The Text of Section 1512(c)(2) Prohibits a Broad Range of Obstructive
    Acts 160
    2. Judicial Decisions Support a Broad Reading of Section 1512(c)(2) 162
    3. The Legislative History of Section 1512(c)(2) Does Not Justify Narrowing
    Its Text.... .................................................. ......................; 164
    4. General Principles of Statutory Construction Do Not Suggest That Section 1512(c)(2) is Inapplicable to the Conduct in this Investigation 165
    5. Other Obstruction Statutes Might Apply to the Conduct in this
    Investigation 167
    B. Constitutiona l Defenses to Applying Obstruction-Of-Justice Statutes to
    Presidential Conduct 168
    I. The Requirement of a Clear Statement to Apply Statutes to Presidential
    Conduct Does Not Limit the Obstruction Statutes 169

    2. Separation-of-Powers Principles Support the Conclusion that Congress May Validly Prohibit Corrupt Obstructive Acts Carried Out Through the
    President' s Official Powers 171
    a. The Supreme Court's Separation-of-Powers Balancing Test Applies In
    This Context 172
    b. The Effect of Obstruction-of-Justice Statutes on the President's
    Capacity to Perform His Article II Responsibilities is Limited 173
    c. Congress Has Power to Protect Congressional, Grand Jury, and Judicial Proceedings Against Corrupt Acts from Any Source 176
    3. Ascertaining Whether the President Violated the Obstruction Statutes
    Would Not Chill his Performance of his Article II Duties 178
    IV. CONCLUSION ....."" ...."" .................................................. ."" ............................................."" 182
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    How is that not Obstruction?
    Because it doesn't meet the legal definition? Because the Deputy AG and the AG determined it does not? Flail some more. There is no page 216 you dumb fuck.

    IV. CONCLUSION

    Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President's conduct. The evidence we obtained about the President's actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment. At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.
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