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Thread: The left sneers at those who do not have college degrees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy View Post
    I am actually working on one on line.
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    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    I’m referencing the fight against charter schools and really any change to the status quo. And that’s just not a conservative thing as you can find great quotes from such luminaries as Steve Jobs and Bill Gates about the need for change. And the ones hurt the most by the continued status quo are the poor and minorities. Those with money are generally fine.
    Ahh, my apologies.

    I think what we should do is this:

    Take 5 states or so with a wide disparity in sizes, populations, climate, etc... and see what happens when we have:

    Full school choice via voucher
    Partial school choice via voucher
    Make no changes whatsoever

    Full choice states:
    DE, NY, AZ, IL, MS

    Partial choice states:
    MA, WY, TX, WA, MT

    Keep the same:
    N/A

    Let the systems run for 10 years and then see how it works. You could also do this with school districts and by regions within states (they don't have to be entire states if that is too radical for the local pols). At the end of 10 years, see where the states, districts, regions stack up against one another. The key is to have the experiment and see what happens. The modeling that is done is probably all done in good faith but nothing substitutes like having the rubber hit the road.

    I frankly would like to see structural changes made to public schools before we start tinkering with them though and try that first. I can see shipping your daughter across town to play Westside High in a volley ball match but sending her 3-400 miles away to play a school that you've never heard of? No. It's crazy. A co-worker of mine sent her daughter 300 miles away to go to a cheer leading competition. Crazy. No way we should be spending money on that as a society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Good for you Grump...

    Hope it works goes well...hats-off-salute-smiley-emoticon.gif
    Agree. Best of luck.

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    The truth is a lot of smart people would go nuts working in an office or a lab. We are all different. Work choice is often something a person just falls into. Often we just learn to avoid some jobs after trying them.
    How many want to be a proctologist? It pays well? How many want to be a gynecologist? How many want to build houses? How many want to be plumbers? Some people love it.
    What profession someone is in is not that revealing about what the person is like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOP View Post
    Plus
    "domer" always brings a chuckle, btw...every single time
    Plus what, chump?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    That’s false. What gets mocked are the teachers union who fight against change and any competition. What also gets mocked are white liberals who claim to support public education but send their kids to private school or move to wealthy largely white suburbs that have good public schools. Then these folks want to lecture others? Please.
    Complete horseshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOP View Post
    'You don't know either? I'm shocked...again...lol
    Plus what, chump?

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    Plus what, chump?
    "Chump" doesn't even have the first BS, unless of course you count BS = bullshit. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    The truth is a lot of smart people would go nuts working in an office or a lab. We are all different. Work choice is often something a person just falls into. Often we just learn to avoid some jobs after trying them.
    How many want to be a proctologist? It pays well? How many want to be a gynecologist? How many want to build houses? How many want to be plumbers? Some people love it.
    What profession someone is in is not that revealing about what the person is like.
    That's one reason to support trade/occupational training schools the same way we support traditional schools. My late husband was one of the smartest ppl I've ever known. He sucked at academics and joked about how he wouldn't have even graduated h.s. if his algebra teacher hadn't hired him to paint his house over the summer, and gave him a break. But he could build a multi-level deck from scratch just by drawing it on a piece of paper.... and did. He could tear down a motorcycle to its nuts and bolts, fix what was ailing it, and put it back together with nothing left over.... and did. He could fiddle with your ailing computer for a few minutes, then dive into its OS and BIOS and fix what was bogging it down.... and did. Completely self-taught. He read manuals for fun.... and remembered every salient thing in them. I admire ppl who can do that kind of stuff as much as I do someone who can describe a black hole using only mathematics. Probably more, because the former is far more useful. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    "Chump" doesn't even have the first BS, unless of course you count BS = bullshit. lol
    You notice there is no response.

    I’ve never seen a diploma stating the degree was a BS “plus”. Plain horseshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    Complete horseshit.
    What do you disagree with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    What do you disagree with?
    The right denigates teachers, pal. That they make so much money for so little work. They denigrate the PROFESSION, pal.

    How about this favorite RW mantra? “Those who can, do. Those who can’t, teach.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    The right denigates teachers, pal. That they make so much money for so little work. They denigrate the PROFESSION, pal.

    How about this favorite RW mantra? “Those who can, do. Those who can’t, teach.”
    Pal? Why so personal?

    That’s a right wing mantra? My father was a tenured professor and I’ve heard him use that phrase (and he was no right winger).

    The right doesn’t denigrate teachers. I said what they go after “pal”.

    And the issue being discussed was how those who have a college degree and those who don’t are treated

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Pal? Why so personal?

    That’s a right wing mantra? My father was a tenured professor and I’ve heard him use that phrase (and he was no right winger).

    The right doesn’t denigrate teachers. I said what they go after “pal”.

    And the issue being discussed was how those who have a college degree and those who don’t are treated
    So, your father admitted he was a failure? A “can’t do”? Sad

    The right CONSTANTLY denigrates teachers. If you have missed that fact, it’s because you aren’t paying attention.

    The OP is that the left “sneers” at those without a degree. Just another lie from one of your RW pals, pal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    So, your father admitted he was a failure? A “can’t do”? Sad

    The right CONSTANTLY denigrates teachers. If you have missed that fact, it’s because you aren’t paying attention.

    The OP is that the left “sneers” at those without a degree. Just another lie from one of your RW pals, pal.
    Actually he left teaching and started a very successful business so he’s done quite well for himself and can speak from experience for his industry.

    I pay plenty of attention to education domer. I know all about the political hypocrisy in education, “pal”. You might want to heed your own advice

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