They voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012. In 2016 about 8-9 million of those who voted for Obama voted for Trump. Telling them it was in their interest to vote Democratic while at the same time telling them their economic position was declining only works for so long. Eventually they try something different.
Hello gfm7175,
When we refer to free college in political discussions it is generally assumed that we are speaking of tuition being paid by the government, mostly out of taxpayer revenues. It is actually free to the students. This alleviates the burden of being saddled with crushing debt at a time when young people are starting jobs and families and trying to save for a down payment on a home. They pay it back by paying their taxes during their lifetime of work. If a college degree allows them to earn more money, they pay more into the system during their lifetime than it cost the system to put them through college. Thus, it is actually a benefit to both society and the economy, or GDP.
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Guno צְבִי (04-16-2019)
“If we have to have a choice between being dead and pitied, and being alive with a bad image, we’d rather be alive and have the bad image.”
— Golda Meir
Zionism is the movement for the self-determination and statehood for the Jewish people in their ancestral homeland, the land of Israel.
“If Hamas put down their weapons, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons, there would be no Israel."
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Students are not taxpayers?? Also, why should taxpayers pay for a service for their whole lives even though they only receive that service for a few years of their lives?? Why should I pay for someone else's education??
No, it is not. THEY are paying for it, like you yourself just stated above, through their taxpayer dollars. They will continue to pay for it for their whole lives, instead of just for the few years they are in school, or for however long they have their loan... So no, it is anything BUT "free"... Tacking the name "free" on something does NOT make it free... Maybe it's free for people who don't pay any taxes, but for everyone else, it is anything BUT free...
No, it doesn't. It just spreads that same burden out throughout a taxpayer's lifetime to make it less noticeable to the ignorant taxpayer (and likely would even INCREASE the total amount of burden, since it would be for a lifetime as opposed to X number of years).
For example, (and I'm using random numbers here to illustrate a point), $20,000 instantly, or $6,000/year for four years would both be less of an overall burden on someone than $50/month over 60 years...
Ummmm, I thought you just said that it was free for the students?? Now they're paying it back during their whole lifetime?? Which one is it?? You're locked in paradox here...
So, essentially, you are proposing sneaking yet ANOTHER tax into our paychecks, further reducing our take-home pay, and that's supposed to HELP us somehow? I'm confused... What about the people who already paid for their college schooling out of their own pockets?? Are they supposed to now pay for other people's college schooling also??
Depends upon the degree...
Isn't paying much more than necessary for something hurting the person paying for it? Socialism is theft; it does not create any wealth. It only destroys it. Capitalism is what creates wealth.
I’m loving my LIFETIME PENSION right now, cunt. Get it? LIFETIME. There’s not a fucking chance my income runs dry for the rest of my life. Regardless of the market. Toss in the additional 401k and the spouse’s 401k and I have no worries for the rest of my life.
Read it and weep, bitch.
evince (04-17-2019)
You got that backwards. Democrats are the ones against freedom, education and self defense. You are right that Republicans are in it for the money but aren't the oversimplified thing you say they are. Republicans open the way for new wealth while Democrats will stop new wealth at every turn, liquidizing your earnings and redistributing it. Democrats turn government into an overbearing presence dictating everything. Republicans aren't gonna hold your hand and sure you might get into some fights in your climb up the corporate ladder, but Republicans aren't going to shut it all down and declare martial law and then ransack your surplus until everyone is nearly naked and living on a coupon book.
Republicans are decisive and set in what they decide. Impressions are everything. If you are trying to get Republican support and you make them think you're a stupid liability then sure you aren't going to win that scholarship. A Democrat is going to award that scholarship to anyone based on demographics and pity and other non-educational bias. Republicans are harder to impress. Either way them seats are going to be filled whether it's a Dem or Rep awarding those scholarships.
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