Why Most Republicans Don’t Like Higher Education

[iolo]

There is no such thing as a capitalist state. China isn't capitalist.

Sure there are. China, for example.

Capitalist doesn't destroy workers. It invites them to join in the creation of wealth that can only come from capitalism.

Capitalism has no class warfare or classes.

You don't. Capitalism works without a government of any kind.

They don't control your life.

Is that why they write books, celebrating and describing their success? Do you consider Dale Carnegie, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Donald Trump, or Arthur Davis anonymous?

Crooks tap phones, not capitalists.

If their activities are illegal. They can be prosecuted. Criminals aren't capitalists.

Criminal activity is not a police state. You seem to have a very poor understanding of English.

If you want to discuss anything, stop making lists and talking nonsense. You come over as a drunken maths teacher.

[iolo]

Your claim. Have you forgotten what you are talking about?

I know what I'm talking about, child. What half-cut Americans suppose I'm talking about is a very different matter.

[iolo]

Sure it will. Nothing prevents that. If the workers are paid enough, they will stay. The agreement is between a worker and the person hiring him. Nothing about that prevents profits. Indeed, more workers are hired when a company is making profit.

It was just the same in Stalin's gulags. If you didn't like it, you just starved yourself to death.

[iolo]

There are communistic countries (China is one of them). There are Christian countries (the United States is one of them). Nothing about either country forbids other religions or capitalistic elements in a communist country.

False dichotomy fallacy combined with a compositional error fallacy.

No - just as there are no Christian countries but many whose capitalists find it convenient to pretend to be that thing, so some claim 'communism'. You have been kept very carefully brainwashed by your masters, haven't you! Oh dearie me! Poor dab!

[Into the Night]

Ownership by a capitalist state is neither here nor there - it is a matter of mere capitalist convenience, soaking the mugs for the necessary investment instead of just stealing it. State ownership is the brainwashed American's idea of socialism; actually, it is control by those who do the work. Similarly your fantasies about being 'free': you are manifestly not free to change the system, or even think about it. And as we all know, it is easy to escape capitalist control: like so many Americans you choose the only possible way and shoot yourself.

There is no such thing as 'capitalist control'.
We are free to change the system. We choose a federated republic for our system. We choose capitalism.

If you like socialism and Marxism so much, go move to such a country. You'll be happier there, at least until you realize what you've lost by living there.

[Into the Night]

If you want to discuss anything, stop making lists and talking nonsense. You come over as a drunken maths teacher.

Bulverism fallacy. I have not presented any math. I have not presented any lists (at least anything more than you have). That you discard my arguments in this way is bulverism...a fallacy.

[Into the Night]

I know what I'm talking about, child. What half-cut Americans suppose I'm talking about is a very different matter.

Obviously you don't. This subthread is done. You have lost context.

[Into the Night]

It was just the same in Stalin's gulags. If you didn't like it, you just starved yourself to death.

Stalin was a dictator, dope. He forced people into gulags and prisons at gunpoint. That's what Marxism does for you. Why do you support it?

[Into the Night]

No - just as there are no Christian countries but many whose capitalists find it convenient to pretend to be that thing, so some claim 'communism'. You have been kept very carefully brainwashed by your masters, haven't you! Oh dearie me! Poor dab!

The United States is a Christian country. So is the UK. So is France. So is Spain. So is Canada. So is Mexico. I can think of a lot of others. All of these nations are predominantly Christian, and many were founded by Christians. The United States is a capitalist country also. It is the primary form of economy in the United States.

Japan happens to be primarily Buddhist and Shinto. Yet they are a capitalist country. That is the primary form of economy in Japan.

You are still making a false dichotomy fallacy, combined with a compositional error fallacy. Now you add a strawman to that. There is no 'brainwashing' here. I choose what I buy, when I buy it, what work I do, and how I conduct my business. You have that same choice, though you deny it.

[Part Multi 313]

The United States is a Christian country. So is the UK. So is France. So is Spain. So is Canada. So is Mexico. I can think of a lot of others. All of these nations are predominantly Christian, and many were founded by Christians. The United States is a capitalist country also. It is the primary form of economy in the United States.

Japan happens to be primarily Buddhist and Shinto. Yet they are a capitalist country. That is the primary form of economy in Japan.

You are still making a false dichotomy fallacy, combined with a compositional error fallacy. Now you add a strawman to that. There is no 'brainwashing' here. I choose what I buy, when I buy it, what work I do, and how I conduct my business. You have that same choice, though you deny it.

I ditto this sharp response.

[Flash]

State ownership is the brainwashed American's idea of socialism; actually, it is control by those who do the work.

That is the economic definition of socialism. Control by those who do the work and abolishing the state is anarcho-communism.

[distraff]

Especially the trump variety



Let’s start with the good news. In a national survey released last week by the Pew Research Center, a solid majority of Americans, 55 percent, have positive views of higher education.

But that finding camouflages a worrisome partisan split: The poll noted that while 72 percent of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents said higher education had a positive impact on the nation, 58 percent of Republican and Republican-leaning independents said it had a negative effect. Just 36 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents said colleges and universities had a positive effect.

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Even more troubling is that Republican support has cratered in two years, from 54 percent favorable in 2015 to 36 percent favorable today. There is no way to sugarcoat these findings for an industry that depends on widespread, deep public support to be effective. We ignore them at our peril.


https://www.chronicle.com/article/Wh...s-Don-t/240691

I think higher education teaches students a lot of fluff they should have learned in high school. We need higher education to be more directly job-related.

[midcan5]

Education opens the mind, the republican wants the people dumb so they control them. Give the uneducated a target and blame them for all ills and you win. Scapegoating is as old as history. The republicans have been creating snowflakes for years and now the snowflakes see in a con-artist their messiah. It is ironic on its face as Trump cares nada for the working class, he proved that with his labor record of not even paying his workers in NY. America's dummies are a creation of dark money and agitprop. For the reader.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...nvisible-hands
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27833494-dark-money
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2...their-own-land
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...lyover-country
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3...illary-clinton
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3...f-donald-trump
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...hants-of-doubt


"What is patriotism? Let us begin with what patriotism is not. It is not patriotic to dodge the draft and to mock war heroes and their families. It is not patriotic to discriminate against active-duty members of the armed forces in one's companies, or to campaign to keep disabled veterans away from one's property. It is not patriotic to compare one's search for sexual partners in New York with the military service in Vietnam that one has dodged. It is not patriotic to avoid paying taxes, especially when American working families do pay. It is not patriotic to ask those working, taxpaying American families to finance one's own presidential campaign, and then to spend their contributions in one's own companies. It is not patriotic to admire foreign dictators. It is not patriotic to cultivate a relationship with Muammar Gaddafi; or to say that Bashar al-Assad and Vladimir Putin are superior leaders. It is not patriotic to call upon Russia to intervene in an American presidential election. It is not patriotic to cite Russian propaganda at rallies." Timothy Snyder

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/33917107-on-tyranny

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[iolo]

There is no such thing as 'capitalist control'.
We are free to change the system. We choose a federated republic for our system. We choose capitalism.

If you like socialism and Marxism so much, go move to such a country. You'll be happier there, at least until you realize what you've lost by living there.

You cannot change capitalism where you are, and there is nowhere else to go. Try the Moon, nutter.

[iolo]

Bulverism fallacy. I have not presented any math. I have not presented any lists (at least anything more than you have). That you discard my arguments in this way is bulverism...a fallacy.

You make lists of quotations. Don't. Write like a human being, if you know how.