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    Fettered capitalism IS freedom

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    bullshit


    there is no freedom to create without capitalism


    when did you get so brainless?
    Let's leave it, Evince. We are not going to agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iolo View Post
    Let's leave it, Evince. We are not going to agree.
    because you are wrong and lying about fettered capitalism

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    If you outlaw capitalism you outlaw my right to build a creative object that others would pay for me to build them


    you shut down the VERY creative spirit that can drive an entire society

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    Hello gfm7175,

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Students are not taxpayers?? Also, why should taxpayers pay for a service for their whole lives even though they only receive that service for a few years of their lives?? Why should I pay for someone else's education??
    Same reason we all pay for public K-12 school whether we have children or not. Because it is good for the society we live in, so it is good for all of us.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    No, it is not. THEY are paying for it, like you yourself just stated above, through their taxpayer dollars. They will continue to pay for it for their whole lives, instead of just for the few years they are in school, or for however long they have their loan... So no, it is anything BUT "free"... Tacking the name "free" on something does NOT make it free... Maybe it's free for people who don't pay any taxes, but for everyone else, it is anything BUT free...
    Mincing words, now? Whatever. Call it tuition-paid college. Call it public college. I don't care what you want to call it. It is what we need to do. K-12 becomes K-16. Done deal. Progress. Making America great again.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    No, it doesn't. It just spreads that same burden out throughout a taxpayer's lifetime to make it less noticeable to the ignorant taxpayer (and likely would even INCREASE the total amount of burden, since it would be for a lifetime as opposed to X number of years).

    For example, (and I'm using random numbers here to illustrate a point), $20,000 instantly, or $6,000/year for four years would both be less of an overall burden on someone than $50/month over 60 years...
    You have only calculated the cost, and ignored the benefit. You have incorrectly assumed that there is no benefit to society, the economy and the GDP. There is a benefit.

    This oversight, from the same mindset that heralds big corporate CEOs as these amazingly smart people who create jobs. But they would be nothing without their college educations, now would they. If a college education allows these special people to create jobs, create wealth for themselves and others, why can't somebody else do the same thing? For many, this will make the difference. Paid college tuition gives them the head start that makes the difference. Or is this something you feel should only be available to the super-rich...

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    So, essentially, you are proposing sneaking yet ANOTHER tax into our paychecks, further reducing our take-home pay, and that's supposed to HELP us somehow? I'm confused...
    There is nothing unclear about it. And nothing sneaky. This is a wide open public debate.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    What about the people who already paid for their college schooling out of their own pockets?? Are they supposed to now pay for other people's college schooling also??
    Yes. Just like when people who paid for their own K-12 schooling began to pay property taxes, which then paid for the free public schools.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Depends upon the degree...
    And the individual. I hope you are not proposing to dictate to people what degree people should pursue. I don't think you have considered the potential here. The nation needs doctors. We are going to need more qualified GP doctors to meet the demand of universal healthcare. Tuition-paid college could help churn out great numbers of new doctors to meet that demand without having all the new students shackled in debt to Wall Street.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Isn't paying much more than necessary for something hurting the person paying for it? Socialism is theft; it does not create any wealth. It only destroys it. Capitalism is what creates wealth.
    The only way they can possibly pay more into the system would be because they are out there earning more money than they would if they didn't have a degree. Smart people with college degrees start businesses. Those businesses create jobs. All those workers pay into the system when they pay their taxes. More people earning more money would generate more revenue. The net revenue generated would exceed the government spending on college tuition. It becomes a net gain for the economy.

    Conversely, if you don't help people, and you just leave them on their own, without college degrees some of them are likely to get into trouble. They might run afoul of the law. We might have to spend even more tax money for police to bring them to justice, courts to adjudicate them, prisons to lock them up. The USA has the largest prison system in the world. It is also the most costly system in the world. You either give people the tools they need to succeed, or you pay to support them or incarcerate them when they don't. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

    Guess what else happens? When you let people flounder like that, they have kids. But they don't always make the best parents. So their kids take after their parents. More social problems down the road. Public education, or the lack of it, has serious ramifications extending far beyond how much it costs in increased taxes. Basically, it's either pay a little extra to do this now, or pay a lot more extra later to suffer the consequences of not doing it.

    EDUCATION PREVENTS PRISONS.

    You said nothing is free and it is true.

    Making America great again isn't free, either.

    What.

    Did you think you can have a great nation for free?

    Allowing education to get prohibitively expensive is placing roadblocks to success. We could be cutting the nation off from the next amazing whizzkid. Bill Gates had a college education. We could be stifling the achievements of the next Bill Gates. You have no idea the potential we would are ensuring would never be realized by not having universal tuition-paid public college. I am not letting you cut us off from this. I am voting for someone who supports this excellent idea. I can see the potential. It's just like when we had no public schools and then after it began we had the industrial age. Now it is time to up the ante and go up a level. It's the right thing to do at the right time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Part Multi 313 View Post
    Republicans are decisive and set in what they decide. Impressions are everything. If you are trying to get Republican support and you make them think you're a stupid liability then sure you aren't going to win that scholarship. A Democrat is going to award that scholarship to anyone based on demographics and pity and other non-educational bias. Republicans are harder to impress. Either way them seats are going to be filled whether it's a Dem or Rep awarding those scholarships.
    you watch too much fox ass drippings

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Soul View Post
    You made this claim:



    Prove it. I'll understand if you can't lol.
    Which IRS agent did you speak with, lying cunt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iolo View Post
    Homesteading is a whole other fantasy, no longer relevant. The theft is of a large psrt of the reward of labour by those who do none.
    How does the "capitalist", who risks his capital to build a factory and employ labor, "steal" from labor?

    By building the factory, purchasing and installing the machinery, and paying the taxes and utilities to run the building, labor is able to produce goods at a fraction of the labor time, and at better quality, then the labor could do by hand. Therefore the price of the goods plummets and common folk can purchase it at a far more reasonable cost.

    Who in this picture is getting ripped off?

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    Which IRS agent did you speak with, lying cunt?
    You made this claim:

    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post

    The IRS doesn’t seem to think so.
    Prove it. I'll understand if you can't lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Soul View Post
    You made this claim:



    Prove it. I'll understand if you can't lol.
    Post #69, lying cunt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Soul View Post
    How does the "capitalist", who risks his capital to build a factory and employ labor, "steal" from labor?

    By building the factory, purchasing and installing the machinery, and paying the taxes and utilities to run the building, labor is able to produce goods at a fraction of the labor time, and at better quality, then the labor could do by hand. Therefore the price of the goods plummets and common folk can purchase it at a far more reasonable cost.

    Who in this picture is getting ripped off?
    depends on the wages, and costs of living, and if they hire pinkerton men and mafia to beat employees into submission.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robo View Post
    "HIGHER" learning? What's higher about it? kids who don't want to go to work and jusyt want to party on the college scene, borrowing thousands of dollars from the government to go get a worthless degree that has no value for them getting a job. Universities that raise their tuition every time the government raises the borrowing amount the idiot kids can borrow. Colleges where the students are taught the grandeur of communism & socialism. College campuses where conservative thought and conservative speakers are bullied, protested, threatened and even attacked, where freedom of speech once was the main curriculum is now spat at and prohibited. Major universities of renown offering Hollywood White Privileged acting creeps the opportunities to bribe their offspring's way into the limited and restricted college experience.

    Yeah! I think why Republicans hate colleges these days is a fucking no-brainer!
    Well put. However, there ARE good things about Universities. They still offer good training for doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc. You just have to ignore the indoctrination part. I have seen students some classes soundly and loudly reject such crap coming from teachers and counselors visiting classrooms to spew their communism. Despite all you describe (largely accurate, BTW), there is hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquillus in Exile View Post
    Is there evidence that many Republicans like degrees in math and science?
    Sure there is. All the republicans out there who hold degrees in math and science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    depends on the wages, and costs of living, and if they hire pinkerton men and mafia to beat employees into submission.
    Key word here being "voluntary".

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