A great first step to ending Abortion!

[gfm7175]

It's highly likely you are nuts!

Thus why I am done responding to any further psychoquackery and bigotry from him. He is unwilling to have a civil discussion about the matter.

[Wolverine]

Unfortunately, the right isn't interested in the abortion issue out of a concern for fetal life. If they were, they'd focus first on the low-hanging fruit -- all the ways you can prevent unnecessary fetal deaths without criminalizing a woman's decision to end an unwanted pregnancy. If they focused there, they'd find many on the left were their strongest allies. Among those ideas (most of which I stole from another forum):

(1) Make sure high-reliability contraception is convenient and affordable for everyone (e.g., get rid of the rule that lets certain privileged bosses deny their employees contraception coverage under their health insurance plans).

(2) Roll out proven birth-control education (e.g., sex-ed focused on preventative measures rather than the proven failure of abstinence-only education).

(3) Provide better subsidies for pre-natal healthcare (this will reduce miscarriages, which are obviously a threat to fetal life).

(4) Provide paid maternity leave (not only will this make taking a pregnancy to term more economically practical for people living paycheck to paycheck, but it will also cut down on women with complicated pregnancies engaging in the risky practice of working right up to delivery because they can't afford to have their income interrupted, and that will mean fewer pre-term births and miscarriages).

(5) Work to reduce the social stigma for unwed motherhood, which will cut back on abortions that occur because a woman can't face the stigma of people knowing she got pregnant out of wedlock.

(6) Better subsidies for obstetric and neonatal care, to cut down on infant mortality.

(7) Better subsidies for child care, so more economically distressed women can see a realistic path to raising a child.

(8) More government regulation of large-serving sugary drinks and other drivers of obesity (obesity significantly increases miscarriage rates).

Each of those things would reduce deaths by a lot more than tilting at windmills with abortion-criminalization laws, which will only tend to force the procedures underground or out of the country. This isn't like the pre-Roe era, when it was difficult for women to get abortions through means other than domestic clinics. These days, with the Internet, abortion pills, and cheap international travel, even if abortion were illegal nation-wide, most women with unwanted pregnancies would be able to figure out a work-around. So, other than the sick thrill of making their lives harder by forcing them into an illegal procedure or a trip abroad, there's little to be gained by the tack the right wing is taking. So, why aren't they taking a more effective and cooperative tack to reduce fetal deaths? The answer, of course, is that punishing women is the entirety of the point. They simply don't care about those fetuses, other than as an excuse for attacking women who make sexual decisions they don't approve of.

Of course it's about life, I have no problem with birth control but you pay for it yourself! It should be criminal to end a child's life! I was taught sex ed in High school in the 80's has that changed? we have the best prenatal care in the world. Provide your own money for maternity leave, if you can't provide for a child do not become pregnant! Wedlock is the only place a pregnancy should take place. Sex causes pregnancy if you are not responsible enough to care for a child do not engage in risky behavior!

[Oneuli]

Of course it's about life, I have no problem with birth control but you pay for it yourself!

You make my point. You don't care about those lives even enough to pay taxes to subsidize birth control... but you're cool with paying taxes to punish women who choose to end their pregnancies (or doctors who help them), right? That's because the lives aren't the driver for you. The punishment is.

we have the best prenatal care in the world

We do not. Look at miscarriage rates and infant mortality rates and you'll see we are well down the list.

Wedlock is the only place a pregnancy should take place.

And by pushing your religious stigma on others, you help to ensure that more women will get abortions in order to avoid the shame of letting people know they got pregnant out of wedlock. But since you don't care about the death of those fetuses, you're fine with that. The point is to punish the women, after all.

[LV426]

So why are you even commenting?

My comments have been: ABORTION IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

That's what I lead with.

[LV426]

It's highly likely you are nuts!

Right...there are no women in your life. How silly of me to make that assumption.

[LV426]

It's so not about "control"....

Sure it is.

You want to control women legislatively because you cannot control women personally.

[LV426]

I have never raped anyon!

YET.

You haven't raped anyone YET.

But if you decided to, you believe that woman should be forced to birth your rape baby because no woman would voluntarily allow your deficient genes to proliferate.

[LV426]

Nonsense you need mental help!

The only reason you oppose abortion is because unless you force a woman to give birth, your deficient genes would have no chance of proliferating.

[LV426]

What you call fetus is a human being, and that is all it will ever be, you call it fetus to soothe your aching, soul ghoul!

Science calls it a fetus.

But that has nothing to do with the fact that abortion is none of your business.

You want to make it your business because no woman would voluntarily proliferate your deficient genes.

[LV426]

Unfortunately, the right isn't interested in the abortion issue out of a concern for fetal life. If they were, they'd focus first on the low-hanging fruit -- all the ways you can prevent unnecessary fetal deaths without criminalizing a woman's decision to end an unwanted pregnancy. If they focused there, they'd find many on the left were their strongest allies. Among those ideas (most of which I stole from another forum):

(1) Make sure high-reliability contraception is convenient and affordable for everyone (e.g., get rid of the rule that lets certain privileged bosses deny their employees contraception coverage under their health insurance plans).

(2) Roll out proven birth-control education (e.g., sex-ed focused on preventative measures rather than the proven failure of abstinence-only education).

(3) Provide better subsidies for pre-natal healthcare (this will reduce miscarriages, which are obviously a threat to fetal life).

(4) Provide paid maternity leave (not only will this make taking a pregnancy to term more economically practical for people living paycheck to paycheck, but it will also cut down on women with complicated pregnancies engaging in the risky practice of working right up to delivery because they can't afford to have their income interrupted, and that will mean fewer pre-term births and miscarriages).

(5) Work to reduce the social stigma for unwed motherhood, which will cut back on abortions that occur because a woman can't face the stigma of people knowing she got pregnant out of wedlock.

(6) Better subsidies for obstetric and neonatal care, to cut down on infant mortality.

(7) Better subsidies for child care, so more economically distressed women can see a realistic path to raising a child.

(8) More government regulation of large-serving sugary drinks and other drivers of obesity (obesity significantly increases miscarriage rates).

Each of those things would reduce deaths by a lot more than tilting at windmills with abortion-criminalization laws, which will only tend to force the procedures underground or out of the country. This isn't like the pre-Roe era, when it was difficult for women to get abortions through means other than domestic clinics. These days, with the Internet, abortion pills, and cheap international travel, even if abortion were illegal nation-wide, most women with unwanted pregnancies would be able to figure out a work-around. So, other than the sick thrill of making their lives harder by forcing them into an illegal procedure or a trip abroad, there's little to be gained by the tack the right wing is taking. So, why aren't they taking a more effective and cooperative tack to reduce fetal deaths? The answer, of course, is that punishing women is the entirety of the point. They simply don't care about those fetuses, other than as an excuse for attacking women who make sexual decisions they don't approve of.

But if those things are put in place, then over what will Conservatives cry crocodile tears?

[LV426]

Of course it's about life, I have no problem with birth control but you pay for it yourself! It should be criminal to end a child's life! I was taught sex ed in High school in the 80's has that changed? we have the best prenatal care in the world. Provide your own money for maternity leave, if you can't provide for a child do not become pregnant! Wedlock is the only place a pregnancy should take place. Sex causes pregnancy if you are not responsible enough to care for a child do not engage in risky behavior!

It's not about life.

Stop.

It's about you forcing a woman to give birth so your defective and deficient genes can proliferate.

[Cypress]

Science calls it a fetus.

But that has nothing to do with the fact that abortion is none of your business.

You want to make it your business because no woman would voluntarily proliferate your deficient genes.

I have always maintained that there is a strong INCEL-fueled resentment infused in the anti-reproductive choice movement.
The way they are always hollering that women need to keep their legs shut to other guys is a dead giveaway.

[LV426]

Thus why I am done responding to any further psychoquackery and bigotry from him. He is unwilling to have a civil discussion about the matter.

What a fucking crybaby.

LV won't accommodate my bad faith so I'm going to pretend to ignore him.

It's not gonna work. I'm still going to attack you for being an insincere and disingenuous human stain.

[LV426]

I have always maintained that there is a strong INCEL-fueled resentment infused in the anti-reproductive choice movement.
The way they are always hollering that women need to keep their legs shut to other guys is a dead giveaway.

No woman of quality would ever voluntarily proliferate their shitty, defective genes, and they know it..

So they want to force women to proliferate their deficient and inferior genes by banning abortion.

[canceled.2021.2]

"Your side" is winning?

How so?

Roe v. Wade is still the law of the land, and all your abortion bills get shut down by the courts, wasting taxpayer money.




There are likely several women in your life who had abortions and who haven't told you because they know you cannot be trusted not to judge them.

So women are lying to your fat, fucking face and laughing at you behind your back about it.

You just don't know that you are losing on the issue. It is OK. You will be dead and so will I, but abortion will be a relic.

I guess if you are OK with using Planned Parenthood to commit genocide against blacks, I should be OK with it right?