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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Fapper View Post
    Wealth Inequality Is A National Emergency

    Find a poor family and share your wealth with them.

    I'll understand if you don't, naturally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Trapper View Post
    Even your mentor does not believe in repentance much less the truth.
    Now you're just babbling. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneOx View Post
    Alinsky is a boogeyman of the Right that few Leftists care about.
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    Hello gfm7175,

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Defending the nation is a Constitutional duty of the federal government... The rest of it??? ehhhhhh...
    "Defending the nation is a Constitutional duty of the federal government... The rest of it??? ehhhhhh..." - Is what separates us from President Trump's 'S-hole countries.'

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    And many of those federal government agencies are unconstitutional...
    That is not true. No current federal government agencies have been ruled unconstitutional.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Many federal government agencies DO do nothing, such as the EPA... The EPA hasn't saved anything or helped the environment in any way... It's just an unconstitutional federal agency...
    Again, not true. We don't wear masks to walk about in public like the Chinese do. Our rivers no longer catch on fire... The EPA keeps our skies and waters clean.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    And many of those federal government agencies and programs are unconstitutional... Funding it (through tariffs, excise taxes, and other voluntary methods) isn't stealing, but taxing incomes (and the like) is stealing...
    Nobody has ever been convicted of stealing for simply collecting taxes.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    It, not too long ago, got (partially) shut down for about a month or so and I didn't even notice...
    The shutdown hurt the economy.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Minimum wage (on a federal level) is unconstitutional.
    False. The minimum wage has never been ruled unconstitutional. Without it, dependence upon social programs would quickly overwhelm them. Such programs would have to be greatly increased. It would be absurd. It would virtually make the case for a Universal Basic Income.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Not the point (as even if ALL of them did, the problem still wouldn't be fixed)... The point is that they keep spouting off that people OUGHT to pay more, yet THEY are not doing that very same thing themselves... They OUGHT to "lead by example" if they feel so strongly for the cause... Same with the people who want illegals to be housed and taken care of... THEY ought to do the housing and taking care of. Trump exposed those people quite well just recently, when he said he'd send illegals into THEIR neighborhood and they instantly changed their tune about it (see Cher's comments, for example).
    If Warren Buffett voluntarily paid extra would you then voluntarily pay extra as well? If the answer is no then that quickly explains why it doesn't work voluntarily. It has to be law for enough revenue to be collected to accomplish the goal of bringing the federal budget under control.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    ALL the rich people in the nation paying a 100% tax rate wouldn't even solve the problem of "insufficient revenue"... I don't think you realize just how much our federal government is spending, and just how big it really is...
    Incorrect. The federal government spends $4.3 Trillion per year, and nearly a trillion of it is borrowed because we are not collecting enough revenue. If taxes for the rich had not been decreased by Trump, the deficit would be smaller.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    The problem is SPENDING and size/scope of government, not revenue...
    What spending cuts would you make? IOW, Please identify how many million people you believe should lose their job in order to reduce the spending, and which people? Also discuss how the economy can absorb so many laid off workers. Please reference how the real estate market, for instance, would be impacted by millions of foreclosures, or how the value of real estate would be impacted by all these millions of people trying to sell their homes at once because they can no longer make the payments without paychecks from the Federal Government. Housing values could be expected to plummet if you got your way, which is one of the reasons we don't do that.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    For starters, every single part of it which does not comply with Article 1 Section 8 of the US Constitution... This includes many agencies, such as the EPA and FDA, as well as many policies/programs such as Social Security, Medicare, Obamacare, and many others...
    Fortunately there are not enough people who share your view to make that happen, for if it did, the economy would surely crash hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    It would be replaced by the private sector. The company I work for has numerous government agencies as tenants, and if those agencies left, we would replace them with private sector entities... We've already done it when some of those agencies relocated or dissolved, and we can do it on a larger scale, too...
    Your personal anecdotes are just one person among millions. I disagree that private business would replace government business. Lockheed Martin gets 85% of their income from the federal government. Cutting them off from government contracts would destroy that company.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    I guess we'd need to vote out the entrenched politicians and vote in fresh people who would support these ideas...
    We are going to do exactly that in 2020, but I don't think the newly elected officials are going to do what you want.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    I actually agree with you here. The flat tax does have certain problems, and this is one of them... It would likely have to be doubled with a downsized government which spent quite a bit less, otherwise the flat rate would be too high and it would hurt poor people quite a bit. Like you say, too low of a rate wouldn't raise enough revenue, unless closing up the present loopholes with such a tax would make up for it, but I don't think it would. Something like the fair tax sounds better to me, since buying new things (and various services) can for the most part be controlled, and wouldn't hurt poorer people in the way that a flat tax with too high of a rate would do. The richer people who bought everything new and needed to be pampered with various luxury services would be paying the most into the system.
    I'm glad we are in agreement on that. And since you have also acknowledged the FairTax has zero chance of being instituted, that leaves us with a progressive income tax as the only realistic way to fund the government we have. I know you'd like to drastically cut the government, but since you don't have enough company in that view, not enough people are being elected to Congress to do that. Which means we are stuck with the current level of spending, which is up since President Trump took office. The reality is that Democrats are tax and spend. Republicans are cut taxes and spend more. At least one of those methods comes closer to balancing the budget, which makes that one preferable. We are now at a point where we have to vote Democrat to control the debt.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Even WITH taxing "the rich" at a 100% effective rate, we can't afford our current government...
    Incorrect. Nobody has proposed a 100% tax. A top effective rate of around 55% would be sufficient to shore up the federal budget. We should also levy a new tax on all stock trades above a certain size. That and remove the cap on payroll taxes and we could fix the deficit and pay for all the programs Democrats want, including universal health care and free college tuition.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Except for the "47%" who don't pay any income tax?
    Raise the minimum wage and many of them would be paying into the system.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Agreed. I am not a fan of it. Neither party is doing a damn thing about our debt crisis. Both parties share equal blame here...
    Incorrect. Just vote in some Dems in 2020 and watch the deficit get fixed, along with a lot of other badly needed things. President Clinton handed over a budget surplus - which was promptly squandered on tax cuts by W. The GWB Presidency ended in a financial crisis call the Great Recession. Maybe those tax cuts didn't work so well after all.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Even worse than our annual trillion dollar deficit is our over 22 trillion dollar national debt and our over 123 trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities (largely resulting from social welfare programs).
    Big numbers tend to scare people. But that's only money going out. There is lots coming in, The GDP for two years is bigger than both of those combined, and our credit is stellar, so we service the debt and let it ride. Our economy is strong.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Okay, so we agree about the problem, but we completely disagree about the solution. I think regulations just get in the way (they make it harder to make product and increase costs of product). I think we just need product to cost less to make, so it can be sold for less, and the more competition the better in that regard... Quality, safety, and etc. all comes along with wanting to please customers so that they keep coming back
    Incorrect. Walmart and Amazon didn't get to be the biggest retailers by pushing high quality. It was by offering cheap prices. The way those cheap prices are achieved is not by high quality manufacturing. It is by using the cheapest possible materials and the least number of semi-skilled labor hours possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    We shouldn't ban cheap quality products; we should instead make higher quality products more affordable and feasible to make. I think it's all the various regulations which get in the way of stuff such as this...
    The way you make anything such as high quality products more affordable is to mass produce them. The only way you are going to get production numbers high enough for that is to regulate minimum quality standards. When everyone is making products to the same high standards, then high production can also mean high quality. We could reduce planned obsolescence with regulation, and thus reduce the number of products which have to be replaced prematurely. Since high quality products would last longer, they would actually be cheaper in the long run to consumers. Since consumers would be paying more initially, they would also tend to take better care of their possessions, thus lengthening their useful life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granule View Post
    Actually, Hitler is also your guy. He was a socialist, and he hated Jews, too.
    I guess you're not able to have real discussions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    I guess you're not able to have real discussions.
    Finger pointing at me isn't a discussion, Saul. Get your facts straight.
    Free speech is cool as long as it jibes with our program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granule View Post
    Finger pointing at me isn't a discussion, Saul. Get your facts straight.
    Well I was trying to have a discussion, but it looks like you just want to resort to lame accusations involving the Hitler Ate Sugar fallacy.
    The Right wasn't like this before Trump. You guys have snapped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Find a poor family and share your wealth with them.

    I'll understand if you don't, naturally.
    Between their paid for housing , snap , and medical benefits ... Welfare recipients make more money than me !

    Why would they EVER do anything to change that ????

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    Inequality has always been a problem and what a Oligarchy would do is make equality toward everyone who are not greedy multi millionaires will have a terrible future to look forward to. This is because a Oligarchy is too corrupt, lawless and immoral to sustain itself but lead to a destructive future for humanity to endure. The best thing to do is defend and protect democracy and liberty and then to strive for a common ground in order to gain control over the problem of 1%ers not paying their fair share in taxes but for the majority working and middle class to carry the tax burden. This in order for the working class to become equal and whole as deserved. Obviously it is the working and middle class taxpayer who maintains the economy, and to which a oligarchy could not survive without the working and middle class that does all the work, pays all the taxes and gets nothing much in return when it comes to fairness at what they deserve. The important way to fix this inequality problem is to get rid of the GOPer fiscal and crony nightmare of sedition, treason and corruption as antigovetnment conspiring demagogues who only care about feeding the gullets of their rich buddies and themselves, and to hell with the 99%ers are far as they are concerned. Time for a greater Blue Wave change. Republicans had their chance to lead and they have failed to the point of being a national and even global emergency to deal with. Also in my opinion, Oligarchy equates to a OliMalarky.
    Last edited by survivor001; 04-16-2019 at 10:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granule View Post
    There's nothing to prove, sad sac. You hate Capitalism. What more is there to say?
    Typical parrot comment. Of course, you are too stupid to understand that we do not have capitalist system anymore. You can call it corporatism, a Plutocracy, maybe even an Autocracy, just not capitalism. Kind of like trying to call a Repugnant one a "conservative".

    But hey, since you have proven yourself to be a lying fool, yes, what else is there to say.
    "2Timothy 3 "But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away"

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Well I was trying to have a discussion, but it looks like you just want to resort to lame accusations involving the Hitler Ate Sugar fallacy.
    The Right wasn't like this before Trump. You guys have snapped.
    Yes they were. They just weren't that obvious, and are now emboldened by the WH Trash we have ruling us.
    "2Timothy 3 "But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granule View Post
    Now you're just babbling. lol

    Why do you hate America?
    Hey, you are the one that voted for Trump, and are even now ignoring his lies, and violations of American law, and the Constitution.

    Question you should be asking, and do not have the integrity to do so, is why do you hate the United States?

    Do you even know what America is?
    "2Timothy 3 "But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away"

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    let is get worse we need a revolution
    De l'audace, encore de l'audace, toujours de l'audace et la Patrie sera sauvée!

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    Change the constitution to reflect reality. Change the preamble from "promote the general welfare of citizens, to promote the specific welfare of the wealthy. Change article one, change from "provide for the common defense and the general welfare of the US" to provide for the common defense and the creation of an aristocracy,
    Through the tax bills and the tax loopholes, we are doing that anyway.
    The top tax rate dropped from 91 percent to 30s. Does that help the general welfare of the nation? Corporate taxes dropped precipitously. Does that help the general citizen? Nope, let's face it the rich won and we are building a new 2 tiered America. And of course, a billionaire president really cares about the workers and the middle class. Trump has made it all worse. let's reelect him .

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