President Trump Says We Have Bad Laws That There Should Be No Chance Of Asylum At All

[PoliTalker]

Hello ThatOwlWoman,

I thought that that was what the very concept of our country was based on -- being a beacon of freedom and prosperity for the world.

Gotta change that plaque on the Statue of Liberty:

"Give us your money and stay home."

"We'll take a few if it can help some rich people get richer and they can pull some strings. Nobody else wanted. Stay home and just send money."

[Cypress]

US is not subservient to "international law" ( whatever that is)

You may not know what international law is, but the framers of the constitution were explicitly aware of it and informed about it.

You sign an international treaty, and you are obligated by the Constitution to comply with it.
If you don't like the treaty, you can formally withdraw from it.

US Constitution, Artilce VI, Section 2.
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

[Bill]

You are of course correct, but I think anatta was just being glib..

All our presidents have been for international law, as long as it conformed to their wants & wishes...

[dukkha]

You may not know what international law is, but the framers of the constitution were explicitly aware of it and informed about it.

You sign an international treaty, and you are obligated by the Constitution to comply with it.
If you don't like the treaty, you can formally withdraw from it.

you re speaking of treaties -not "international law" we don't recognize anything but our Constitution.
Of course treaties are ratified and also have the force of law.

but the framers of the constitution were explicitly aware of it and informed about it.

I've never heard that claim before -flesh it out if you want to ( framers were aware of natural law is all I know of)

[Cypress]

you re speaking of treaties -not "international law" we don't recognize anything but our Constitution.
Of course treaties are ratified and also have the force of law.


I've never heard that claim before -flesh it out if you want to ( framers were aware of natural law is all I know of)

International treaties and agreements are international law.

What is the law of the sea?
The law of the sea is a body of customs, treaties, and international agreements by which governments maintain order, productivity, and peaceful relations on the sea.
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/lawofsea.html

[dukkha]

International treaties are international law.

what about the Hague?
ther notable international law organizations located in The Hague developed in the more than 100 years since the first Peace Conference include:

The International Court of Justice
The International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia
The European Police Office (Europol)
The European Library
The Hague Academy of International Law
The Hague Conference on Private International Law
The Hague Service Convention
The NATO Consultation, Command and Control Agency
The Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons
The Iran-United States Claims Tribunal
The Unrepresented Nations and Peoples Organization
https://www.legallanguage.com/legal-...rnational-law/

[Cypress]

what about the Hague?
ther notable international law organizations located in The Hague developed in the more than 100 years since the first Peace Conference include:

The International Court of Justice
The International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia
The European Police Office (Europol)
The European Library
The Hague Academy of International Law
The Hague Conference on Private International Law
The Hague Service Convention
The NATO Consultation, Command and Control Agency
The Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons
The Iran-United States Claims Tribunal
The Unrepresented Nations and Peoples Organization
https://www.legallanguage.com/legal-...rnational-law/

Neither you nor I are international law lawyers, so at best all we can do is engage in speculation and mental masturbation.

I believe the US obligations under international law fall into several categories. Ratified treaties and conventions bearing the force of constitutional law.
Treaties, conventions and agreements we have not ratified but declared our intention to abide by - staking our reputation and good name on it.
Treaties, conventions, and agreements we have not ratifies, nor delclared any intention of abiding by.

I don't think it is rocket science, and the framers of the constitution were well aware of international treaty obligations. Do you realize that international and bilateral treaties have existed between nations for millenium?

[Althea]

I shudder to think how Trumpf and his boot-licking sycophants would have treated my grandmother, aunt, cousins, who were stateless, fleeing from communist oppression, and needed the decency of civilized nations and people to receive sanctuary.

Probably the same as our country was when they turned away Jews fleeing the Holocaust. trump would have sold your ancestors entry.

[Cypress]

Probably the same as our country was when they turned away Jews fleeing the Holocaust. trump would have sold your ancestors entry.

From what I can tell, Trump's vision for immigration and refugees comes down to:

If you are from somewhere like Norway (white aryan) - welcome!

If you are from a shithole country (black and brown people) - piss off!


There really is no question that this is why Trump and the Republican Party get so much support from Neo Nazis, Klan, xenophobes, and white christian nationalists.

[anatta]

Neither you nor I are international law lawyers, so at best all we can do is engage in speculation and mental masturbation.

I believe the US obligations under international law fall into several categories. Ratified treaties and conventions bearing the force of constitutional law.
Treaties, conventions and agreements we have not ratified but declared our intention to abide by - staking our reputation and good name on it.
Treaties, conventions, and agreements we have not ratifies, nor delclared any intention of abiding by.

I don't think it is rocket science, and the framers of the constitution were well aware of international treaty obligations. Do you realize that international and bilateral treaties have existed between nations for millenium?

I do, and I agree with you on treaties, but not international conventions/agreements we have not accepted.
My point was we are not bound by anything we do not agree to be bound to,

[PoliTalker]

Hello Cypress,

From what I can tell, Trump's vision for immigration and refugees comes down to:

If you are from somewhere like Norway (white aryan) - welcome!

If you are from a shithole country (black and brown people) - piss off!


There really is no question that this is why Trump and the Republican Party get so much support from Neo Nazis, Klan, xenophobes, and white christian nationalists.

You said it all.

And the really funny thing is that Norway is socialist!

And what's more, they have it so good none of them want to come here.

I bet they laugh at Trump.