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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    What a surprise, "truthie" doesn't like the sources, notice he didn't offer any evidence to invalidate the sources, he just didn't like them so they got to be bogus, and to make it even more comical, he returns with "the Heritage," beautiful, might as well used the NRA as a source

    And the "all the way to Indiana" is less than an hour, duh, any entrepreneur with a trunk in his car can making a killing

    Crime is down, but mass shootings are up, way up, and the greatest "factor significantly increase the likelihood that a person will be a victim of a gun-related homicide" is having a gun present in one's environment.

    Perhaps there does exist a "a predictable pool of people," but we don't necessarily know who they are nor what their targets may be, but we do what tool they will use to execute their plans, and that is the easiest variable to control

    And if there is "no relationship between strict gun control legislation and homicide or violent crime rates" why is it that the majority of those States with stricter gun laws have fewer gun homicides than the opposite relationship?

    And I love to know how carrying is part of the solution when having more guns out there has proven not to reduce gun violence
    Care to explain HOW such can occur??
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    Quote Originally Posted by USFREEDOM911 View Post
    Care to explain HOW such can occur??
    Well, lets see, you start your car, get on the highway, drive southeast, etc

    "With no permit or license required to purchase a gun in Indiana, it is incredibly easy for a trafficker to drive across the state line, obtain a gun" "Those with felony convictions commonly use straw purchases, in which they enlist someone with a clean record to purchase multiple guns" "Law enforcement officials say 60 percent of the guns confiscated on the streets of Chicago come from Indiana"
    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...003-story.html

    https://www.chicagocriminallawyerblo...-from-chicago/
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...but-guns-dont/
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...lly-came-from/
    https://www.chicago.gov/content/dam/...er/GTR2017.pdf
    https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/tr...ble-solutions/
    https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/10...e-report-2017/

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Well, lets see, you start your car, get on the highway, drive southeast, etc

    "With no permit or license required to purchase a gun in Indiana, it is incredibly easy for a trafficker to drive across the state line, obtain a gun" "Those with felony convictions commonly use straw purchases, in which they enlist someone with a clean record to purchase multiple guns" "Law enforcement officials say 60 percent of the guns confiscated on the streets of Chicago come from Indiana"
    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...003-story.html

    https://www.chicagocriminallawyerblo...-from-chicago/
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...but-guns-dont/
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...lly-came-from/
    https://www.chicago.gov/content/dam/...er/GTR2017.pdf
    https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/tr...ble-solutions/
    https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/10...e-report-2017/
    Are you aware that "obtaining a gun" is different then taking possession??

    And "this" is already illegal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USFREEDOM911 View Post
    Are you aware that "obtaining a gun" is different then taking possession??

    And "this" is already illegal.
    Ah, argue with the Chicago Police Dept who traced back to Indiana close to sixty percent of the guns they confiscated in Chicago, those guns aren't walking into the city on their own

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Ah, argue with the Chicago Police Dept who traced back to Indiana close to sixty percent of the guns they confiscated in Chicago, those guns aren't walking into the city on their own
    Tracing has nothing to do with the FACT that criminals are ALWAYS going to do things illegally, to justify the end; but please explain how criminals are going to obey the law(s)??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    This statement is historically stupid.
    I didn't say that, Teflon Don did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Can you cite a single historical example of this?
    Russia. The Bolsheviks were able to overthrow the government because the people with the guns supported Lenin and Stalin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Absurdity; a sure sign of the last desperate refuge for liars, fools and ignorance; and those who have lost their arguments. Yay you!
    Well gun nuts think that strict gun control will lead to a dictatorship. I'm just asking if it happened in New Zealand yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Russia. The Bolsheviks were able to overthrow the government because the people with the guns supported Lenin and Stalin.
    Okay, there's one. You said this happens often. And please tell us what happened toward the end of the Bolshevik Revolution. You're a fucking lying piece of shit fraud get the fuck out of here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Okay, there's one. You said this happens often. And please tell us what happened toward the end of the Bolshevik Revolution. You're a fucking lying piece of shit fraud get the fuck out of here.
    Apology accepted.
    Trump has also bragged about how he has the "tough people" on his side. Trump has a cult-like following of gun nuts who don't care that he lies all the time. Yeah, nothing Fascist about that at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    This is part of why an armed population is more likely to lead to a dictatorship. The people with lots of guns often support the conmen.
    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Can you cite a single historical example of this?
    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    American Revolution?
    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    This country has never been a dictatorship you idiot. Try again.
    Quote Originally Posted by USFREEDOM911 View Post
    Are you saying that after the British surrendered, that a dictator was then put in office??
    You seem to have willingly ignored the above questions, as you're wont to do; but can you explain why you wish to remain stupid??


    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Russia. The Bolsheviks were able to overthrow the government because the people with the guns supported Lenin and Stalin.
    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Okay, there's one. You said this happens often. And please tell us what happened toward the end of the Bolshevik Revolution. You're a fucking lying piece of shit fraud get the fuck out of here.
    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Apology accepted.
    Trump has also bragged about how he has the "tough people" on his side. Trump has a cult-like following of gun nuts who don't care that he lies all the time. Yeah, nothing Fascist about that at all.
    And then again, you ignored another question!!

    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Wrong. When the Nazis came to power, the made it easier for people to buy and own guns, not harder.
    An armed citizenry is usually used to overthrow democracy and install a dictatorship. Again, that's what the Bolsheviks did in Russia, which created the Soviet Union.

    He's undermined journalists and any media that criticizes him as being "the enemy of the people." He's given family members positions of power. He's sided with other dictators, such as Putin and Salman, over the CIA. He worked with foreign powers to rig an election. He's called for violence against protesters. And he complains about how much better things "used to be."

    Now keep in mind, I'm not saying Trump is a Fascist. What I'm saying is that he does Fascist things and, maybe unintentionally, is causing a culture of Fascism. This is pulling America in the direction of Fascism.

    Are you referring to this quote?
    "While I believe I have the authority to carry out this military action without specific congressional authorization, I know that the country will be stronger ... and our actions will be even more effective if the strike is authorized by Congress."

    If Obama had the legal right to carry out military action without congress, then it doesn't make him Fascist to do so. The fact that he still wanted congress' approval means he respects checks and balances.
    Unless you're referring to something else.
    Quote Originally Posted by USFREEDOM911 View Post
    And you found this information,...……………….where??

    "...When the Nazis came to power, the made it easier for people to buy and own guns…"
    And yet again!!

    Do those questions scare you or are they challenging your ability to be honest??
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    Quote Originally Posted by USFREEDOM911 View Post
    You seem to have willingly ignored the above questions, as you're wont to do; but can you explain why you wish to remain stupid??
    Which questions? What happened at the end of the Bolshevik Revolution? The "good guys with the guns" installed a government that went on to kill more people than any other government before them. I thought we all knew this.

    Do those questions scare you or are they challenging your ability to be honest??
    If this refers to the Nazis making it easier to own guns, here you go. https://www.politifact.com/facebook-...y-did-not-hel/

    Gun control was actually stricter during the Weimar Republic. The Nazis relaxed the gun control laws for German citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Which questions? What happened at the end of the Bolshevik Revolution? The "good guys with the guns" installed a government that went on to kill more people than any other government before them. I thought we all knew this.



    If this refers to the Nazis making it easier to own guns, here you go. https://www.politifact.com/facebook-...y-did-not-hel/

    Gun control was actually stricter during the Weimar Republic. The Nazis relaxed the gun control laws for German citizens.
    Which questions??

    I listed them for you already, are you blind or just obtuse??
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    Quote Originally Posted by USFREEDOM911 View Post
    Which questions??

    I listed them for you already, are you blind or just obtuse??
    I didn't want to read through your shitposting.

    But I did answer two questions in my last post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USFREEDOM911 View Post

    HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!


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