New Zealand's semi-automatic rifle ban

[StoneByStone]

Gun nuts always tell us that more gun control would lead to a dictatorship because the people would be unable to fight back against the government.
New Zealand is set to ban all semi-automatic rifles. Who wants to theorize how gun nuts will explain why New Zealand didn't become a dictatorship?

[Nordberg]

They will have fewer mass shootings and less danger to the citizens. That is so un-American. We don't like fewer shootings.

[Robo]

Gun nuts always tell us that more gun control would lead to a dictatorship because the people would be unable to fight back against the government.
New Zealand is set to ban all semi-automatic rifles. Who wants to theorize how gun nuts will explain why New Zealand didn't become a dictatorship?

They will have fewer mass shootings and less danger to the citizens. That is so un-American. We don't like fewer shootings.

But isn’t America under a threat of tyrannical dictatorship right now? Isn’t our President the “Orange Trump” and his family taking over America? Aren’t they arming their new army the KKK and all of those deplorable other racist? Aren’t they getting ready to take you good leftist Democrats guns? How are you gonna defend the country if they take your guns?

I think our nation’s founders were much, much, much smarter than a gang of wimpy-assed leftist in today’s world.

“An armed people are a free people.” (George Washington)

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776
"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776

“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
- Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787

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But isn’t America under a threat of tyrannical dictatorship right now? Isn’t our President the “Orange Trump” and his family taking over America? Aren’t they arming their new army the KKK and all of those deplorable other racist? Aren’t they getting ready to take you good leftist Democrats guns? How are you gonna defend the country if they take your guns?

I think our nation’s founders were much, much, much smarter than a gang of wimpy-assed leftist in today’s world.

“An armed people are a free people.” (George Washington)

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776
"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776

“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
- Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787

That's pretty funny, obvious an effort taken off of a NRA or similar website owned by the gun manufacturers, do you know how easy it is to cherry pick anything some Founding Father said to frame an opinion?

If the Founding Fathers meant for everyone to have a gun why did they purposely add the prefatory clause to the Second Amendment? They didn't have to, but they did, obviously for some reason

And the point gun advocates never get, or just flat out refuse to accept, any Constitutional right can be regulated and restricted, none of them are absolute, have never been, nor will ever be, just a fact

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That's pretty funny, obvious an effort taken off of a NRA or similar website owned by the gun manufacturers, do you know how easy it is to cherry pick anything some Founding Father said to frame an opinion?

If the Founding Fathers meant for everyone to have a gun why did they purposely add the prefatory clause to the Second Amendment? They didn't have to, but they did, obviously for some reason

And the point gun advocates never get, or just flat out refuse to accept, any Constitutional right can be regulated and restricted, none of them are absolute, have never been, nor will ever be, just a fact

Morons on the left cannot get their heads around the concept that Government is the evil in society and one that needs to be held at bay. Alas, being uneducated low IQ dullards, they think Government is great and we need more of the nanny state....except when Trump is in charge, then Government is bad.

In any tyranny, the first thing the State does is confiscate the citizens weaponry. It is apparent that because yo are an uneducated dolt, you have no historical knowledge to comprehend why and armed citizenry is a good thing.

Does France have very strict gun laws? Yes or no?

[StoneByStone]

But isn’t America under a threat of tyrannical dictatorship right now? Isn’t our President the “Orange Trump” and his family taking over America? Aren’t they arming their new army the KKK and all of those deplorable other racist? Aren’t they getting ready to take you good leftist Democrats guns? How are you gonna defend the country if they take your guns?

Historically speaking, an armed population means there is more of a chance of a country becoming a dictatorship. While I don't think Trump's supporters are all racists, most of them do support Trump's Fascist direction. And like Trump himself said, "I have the tough people, but they don't play it tough until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad." This is exactly what happened in Russia, which lead to the Soviet Union.
As of now, America is closer to being a dictatorship because we have a wannabe dictator in office and a bunch of drooling idiots with guns who want to keep him there.

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Historically speaking, an armed population means there is more of a chance of a country becoming a dictatorship.

That is historically false and moronic. It is the exact opposite. The first thing authoritarian states do is take arms away from the citizens. An armed citizenry is dangerous to totalitarians. Do you think Kim Jung wants an armed populace? How about China?

While I don't think Trump's supporters are all racists, most of them do support Trump's Fascist direction.

Really? What has Trump done that is Fascist?

And like Trump himself said, "I have the tough people, but they don't play it tough until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad."

So words strike fear into the hearts of low IQ liberals? What did you think when Obama stated he didn't need Congress? Were you okay with that?

This is exactly what happened in Russia, which lead to the Soviet Union.

No it is not; and making such moronic claims paint you as an uneducated buffoon.

As of now, America is closer to being a dictatorship because we have a wannabe dictator in office and a bunch of drooling idiots with guns who want to keep him there.

Aside from the glaring ignorance of your statement, precisely what has Trump done to bring us closer to a dictatorship?

It's hard to take such moronic nonsense seriously.

[StoneByStone]

That is historically false and moronic. It is the exact opposite. The first thing authoritarian states do is take arms away from the citizens. An armed citizenry is dangerous to totalitarians. Do you think Kim Jung wants an armed populace? How about China?

Wrong. When the Nazis came to power, the made it easier for people to buy and own guns, not harder.
An armed citizenry is usually used to overthrow democracy and install a dictatorship. Again, that's what the Bolsheviks did in Russia, which created the Soviet Union.

Really? What has Trump done that is Fascist?

He's undermined journalists and any media that criticizes him as being "the enemy of the people." He's given family members positions of power. He's sided with other dictators, such as Putin and Salman, over the CIA. He worked with foreign powers to rig an election. He's called for violence against protesters. And he complains about how much better things "used to be."

Now keep in mind, I'm not saying Trump is a Fascist. What I'm saying is that he does Fascist things and, maybe unintentionally, is causing a culture of Fascism. This is pulling America in the direction of Fascism.

So words strike fear into the hearts of low IQ liberals? What did you think when Obama stated he didn't need Congress? Were you okay with that?

Are you referring to this quote?
"While I believe I have the authority to carry out this military action without specific congressional authorization, I know that the country will be stronger ... and our actions will be even more effective if the strike is authorized by Congress."

If Obama had the legal right to carry out military action without congress, then it doesn't make him Fascist to do so. The fact that he still wanted congress' approval means he respects checks and balances.
Unless you're referring to something else.

[ThatOwlWoman]

They will have fewer mass shootings and less danger to the citizens. That is so un-American. We don't like fewer shootings.

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Gun nuts always tell us that more gun control would lead to a dictatorship because the people would be unable to fight back against the government.
New Zealand is set to ban all semi-automatic rifles. Who wants to theorize how gun nuts will explain why New Zealand didn't become a dictatorship?

Bullshit strawman argument

These things don’t happen overnight

God bless the 2nd Amendment

I went out and bought another AR15 just for shits and giggles. Didn’t need it. Just wanted it

[StoneByStone]

These things don’t happen overnight

Fair enough. How long do you think it will take before New Zealand is a totalitarian state?

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Fair enough. How long do you think it will take before New Zealand is a totalitarian state?

Can't ever predict these things. But you haven't commented that now they are cracking down on speech. Easy to do when the public is unarmed.

If there aren't any guns to kill people why would they need to crack down on speech that can incite violence? People can't do anything about it. No guns.

[StoneByStone]

Can't ever predict these things. But you haven't commented that now they are cracking down on speech. Easy to do when the public is unarmed.

If there aren't any guns to kill people why would they need to crack down on speech that can incite violence? People can't do anything about it. No guns.[/QUOTE]

Actually, this is an interesting point. The semi-auto ban didn't go into effect yet and plenty of people still have their guns. Yet the government was able to crack down on free speech. Having guns isn't stopping the government. The truth is, having guns doesn't stop the government from taking away freedom. It never worked in the past, it wouldn't work now.

[Nordberg]

If there aren't any guns to kill people why would they need to crack down on speech that can incite violence? People can't do anything about it. No guns.

Actually, this is an interesting point. The semi-auto ban didn't go into effect yet and plenty of people still have their guns. Yet the government was able to crack down on free speech. Having guns isn't stopping the government. The truth is, having guns doesn't stop the government from taking away freedom. It never worked in the past, it wouldn't work now.[/QUOTE]

As America proved, people will throw away their rights if they like a conman. Most of the people with guns are backing a wannabe despot. Guns do not make you smarter.

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If there aren't any guns to kill people why would they need to crack down on speech that can incite violence? People can't do anything about it. No guns.

This statement is historically stupid.