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    Default America Not Great. Life Expectancy Declines Since Trump Elected: Suicides, Drug Abuse

    People are finding life increasingly depressing in Trump's America.

    In some cases, just too depressing to want to live.

    Suicides are up.

    Drug abuse is up.

    Alcoholism up.

    It doesn't seem like Trump is making America great at all.

    He seems to be making America a very depressing place to live.

    Wall Street is doing great.

    Main Street, not so good.

    Where are the good secure jobs with good benefits he promised?

    Many people are finding the American Dream just too elusive.

    Under President Trump's leadership, they have lost hope, lost the will to live.

    It's so sad having this narcissistic conman in the White House.

    We have little to look up to besides hatred and vitriol.

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    You do realize that suicide is an indication of mental illness? So what you're saying is all these anti-Trumpers are nuttier than a squirrel turd.
    https://dominionhospital.com/blog/en...ead-to-suicide
    Do you really think these people should be voting?
    It suddenly becomes clear why pelosi wants 16 year olds and illegal aliens to vote. All your loony tunes are offing themselves!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez View Post
    You do realize that suicide is an indication of mental illness? So what you're saying is all these anti-Trumpers are nuttier than a squirrel turd.
    https://dominionhospital.com/blog/en...ead-to-suicide
    Do you really think these people should be voting?
    It suddenly becomes clear why pelosi wants 16 year olds and illegal aliens to vote. All your loony tunes are offing themselves!
    But it's not just people opposed to Trump who are killing themselves. Suicide is getting worse across the country and there doesn't seem to be any evidence of it being worse for some people based on their politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    But it's not just people opposed to Trump who are killing themselves. Suicide is getting worse across the country and there doesn't seem to be any evidence of it being worse for some people based on their politics.
    Suicides have increased dramatically for young people, many still in HS. When I was in HS, I can't recall one, yet in my 4 county area there have been several in the last year, 2 from the same HS in a month.
    I doubt they were politically motivated, hell one was a straight A student and others from solid and decent families. Many of those out of school (in their 20's) have died from heroin overdoses. What is wrong with young people today, almost none of this shit happened when I was young?

    Why have so many others become so "offended" by damn near everything? No one was ever "offended" by manger scenes during Christmas. No one was "offended" by monuments. Hell, some colleges had cry-ins and some even cancelled classes after the presidential election. The left has started all this racial division by saying anyone who opposed Obama was opposed because of him being black when the truth is most were opposed to his policies and not his race. The political divide has worsened dramatically in my lifetime and it seems liberals are fanning the flames of this division.
    Common sense is not a gift, it's a punishment because you have to deal with everyone who doesn't have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    But it's not just people opposed to Trump who are killing themselves. Suicide is getting worse across the country and there doesn't seem to be any evidence of it being worse for some people based on their politics.
    Oh, I agree wholeheartedly! But I'll bet you can't get politalker to change his tune. When I was in HS(class of 1975), there were 175 million people in this country and we were already talking about over population, global COOLING was everyone's boogeyman, and gas was approaching 50 cents a gallon! A half century later, the population has just about doubled along with statistics for all these bad things(except global cooling, that has evidently reversed itself to global warming). This is only logical, and history is full of situations that illustrate this phenomenon. I'm tired of chicken liberals screaming that the sky is falling and conservatives are causing it. I mean really, look at the doomsday scenarios they come up with! I'm constantly amazed at the pictures of hell on earth they paint, and tell their brain dead zombie followers that the only way to reverse it is to vote in "progressives" that will throw tax payer money at the beast. You want to cut down on so-called Trump induced suicides? Stop making him out to be the anti-Christ!
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    Hello Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez,

    Quote Originally Posted by Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez View Post
    You do realize that suicide is an indication of mental illness? So what you're saying is all these anti-Trumpers are nuttier than a squirrel turd.
    https://dominionhospital.com/blog/en...ead-to-suicide
    Do you really think these people should be voting?
    It suddenly becomes clear why pelosi wants 16 year olds and illegal aliens to vote. All your loony tunes are offing themselves!
    The biggest increase in deaths of despair is among middle-aged white men. ie, the Trump crowd.

    Deaths of despair are categorized by suicides, drug overdoes, and alcoholism.

    It has been documented that white men are feeling displaced by feminism. White men used to be 'king of the castle.' They were the sole bread-winners back in the age of one-income families. Capitalism eroded the instances of one-earner families as it decimated the middle class, which required women to go to work. As soon as women began bringing home the bacon, white men lost their dominance in the family, and began to feel displaced.

    That's why deaths of despair are way up among white men, and why they voted for Donald Trump (out of desperation.)

    No wonder the right is terrified of this 29yo taco waitress who got elected.

    All they have is voting for a narcissist, liar, racist, conman, and cheat.

    And they have to try to justify Trump.

    No wonder they are so depressed.

    Nobody would really want to be in that position by choice.
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    [QUOTE=PoliTalker;2965613]Hello Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez,



    The biggest increase in deaths of despair is among middle-aged white men. ie, the Trump crowd.
    Actually, there's more of them, which might account for something
    Deaths of despair are categorized by suicides, drug overdoes, and alcoholism.
    Does it seem likely that "middle-aged white men. ie, the Trump crowd" would elect him and then turn to drug overdoes and alcoholism, then commit suicide?

    It has been documented that white men are feeling displaced by feminism. White men used to be 'king of the castle.' They were the sole bread-winners back in the age of one-income families. Capitalism eroded the instances of one-earner families as it decimated the middle class, which required women to go to work. As soon as women began bringing home the bacon, white men lost their dominance in the family, and began to feel displaced.
    Link up please. And I think you will find that world war two, rather than capitalism, "required" women to go to work, and at the end of the war, many women found work much more interesting and fulfilling than the drudgery of housework. Hell, in the 1960's my mom made a little more than my dad and both of them lived into their late eighties

    That's why deaths of despair are way up among white men, and why they voted for Donald Trump (out of desperation.)
    Once again, why would they vote for Trump, turn to drugs and alcohol, then commit suicide?
    No wonder the right is terrified of this 29yo taco waitress who got elected.
    AOC is morale gear, not something to be "terrified" of
    All they have is not voting for a narcissist, liar, racist, conWOman, and cheat.
    FTFY

    And they have to try to justify Trump.
    Who are we "justifying" him to?

    No wonder they are so depressed.
    Again, where are you getting this notion? I am a middle-aged white male Trump voter who hangs out with a lot of middle-aged white men(and women)who voted for Trump! We are the opposite of a bunch of depressed, suicidal alcoholics and drug addicts!

    Nobody would really want to be in that position by choice.
    The only way I can see to avoid becoming a depressed, suicidal alcoholic and/or drug addicted white male is to NOT vote democrat!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez View Post
    You do realize that suicide is an indication of mental illness? So what you're saying is all these anti-Trumpers are nuttier than a squirrel turd.
    Typical for a right wing coward to call veterans who served their country, not just their own self pleasures, "nuttier than a squirrel turd".

    I would bet you support Trumps cutting of funding for mental health services too.

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...-proposal-cuts
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    The biggest increase in deaths of despair is among middle-aged white men. ie, the Trump crowd.

    Deaths of despair are categorized by suicides, drug overdoes, and alcoholism.
    Perhaps these middle aged white men are taking what the liberals say about them to heart. Us middle aged white guys are constantly being told that we are the cause of all the world's problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Trapper View Post
    Typical for a right wing coward to call veterans who served their country, not just their own self pleasures, "nuttier than a squirrel turd".

    I would bet you support Trumps cutting of funding for mental health services too.

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...-proposal-cuts
    I am one of those veterans who served their country, in two wars. We are not talking about those tortured souls(who are, unfortunately and not by any fault of their own, mentally ill). We are discussing depressed white, drug addicted alcoholic men who evidently voted for Trump and then committed suicide. I feel safe calling them nuts because I don't think there are any of them out there, and if any of you little lefty twinkle puffs out there want to self identify as suicidal white male alcoholic drug addicts who voted for Trump, I got a message for you: You're nuttier than a squirrel turd. Put down the crack pipe, dump the booze down the drain(or give it to me, I drink responsibly), get a hobby and join a 12 step program(no joke, they work, one of the reasons my dad lived a long life). How can you let ANY politician live rent free in your head like that?
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    POLITALKER,

    Certainly your research shows these are longer-term trends than since Trump took office. That is simplistic claptrap but not as much as implying presidents have anything to do with these factors.

    "Since 1999, the number of drug overdose deaths has more than quadrupled. Deaths attributed to opioids were nearly six times greater in 2017 than they were in 1999."

    That damn Bush and Obama!

    "By the revised measure, life expectancy in 2015 and 2016 was flat, at 78.7, a decline from 78.9 in 2014. Any revision for 2017’s estimate of 78.6 years will come next year.

    In a third report, the government detailed the ongoing growth of deaths from suicide, which has climbed steadily since 1999 and grown worse since 2006."

    That damn Bush and Obama

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    Hello Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez,

    Quote Originally Posted by Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez View Post
    Actually, there's more of them, which might account for something
    Except it didn't before the deaths of despair rose. Our life expectancy rose until Trump began his election campaign. Then it has dropped every year since. Wow. He sure is a downer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez View Post
    Does it seem likely that "middle-aged white men. ie, the Trump crowd" would elect him and then turn to drug overdoes and alcoholism, then commit suicide?
    It makes all the sense in the world. Trump has not brought back secure well-paying jobs with good benefits. Wall Street is doing great, Main Street is still struggling.

    Quote Originally Posted by Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez View Post
    Link up please. And I think you will find that world war two, rather than capitalism, "required" women to go to work, and at the end of the war, many women found work much more interesting and fulfilling than the drudgery of housework. Hell, in the 1960's my mom made a little more than my dad and both of them lived into their late eighties
    The 1950's and 1960's were a period of one-earner households. Women's lib began long after WWII.

    Quote Originally Posted by Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez View Post
    Once again, why would they vote for Trump, turn to drugs and alcohol, then commit suicide?
    Because despite all the rhetoric they are not finding that America is any greater for them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez View Post
    Who are we "justifying" him to?
    You are justifying him to yourselves. You know he is dirty. You would never give a liberal candidate nor office-holder the kinds of free passes you give Trump. Imagine if Hillary had made a derogatory comment about being able to do as she pleases with men's genitals since she is a big star. Then imagine everybody on the right excusing that by saying it was just locker room talk. FAT CHANCE. Imagine if her personal lawyer testified that she is a racist, a con artist, and a cheat. Sure, you would giver her a big fat free pass on that one too. When pigs fly, you would.

    Quote Originally Posted by Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez View Post
    Again, where are you getting this notion? I am a middle-aged white male Trump voter who hangs out with a lot of middle-aged white men(and women)who voted for Trump! We are the opposite of a bunch of depressed, suicidal alcoholics and drug addicts!
    Then you fall into the category who most likely has investments and perceived that Trump would be best for the stock market, so you have found a way to hand out free passes, look the other way, do whatever needed to justify his actions; which, if a Democrat had done that stuff you would be all over their case for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez View Post
    The only way I can see to avoid becoming a depressed, suicidal alcoholic and/or drug addicted white male is to NOT vote democrat!
    Because you believe it would cost you money to help the less fortunate more with such things as universal health care, climate change action, and government assistance programs. And you find it bothersome to be helping the poor when you blame them for their own condition. A condition which is actually caused largely by improperly regulated capitalism, and systematic wealth extraction.

    It should also be noted that you edited my quotes. Why on Earth are you afraid to respond to what I actually said? Is it because your position is so weak that you feel you have to pretend I said something besides what I actually said? If you are rewriting what I said, and then responding to your rewrite, you are really just having a conversation with yourself.

    If you wish to have a conversation with someone you have to let them say what they want to say. You only get to say your part. Otherwise you're not really having a conversation with anybody else, you're just talking to yourself.

    If you find it so difficult to respond to what I said, and instead have to pretend I said something else, you're only fooling yourself. Openly fooling yourself is a pretty strong indicator that you don't really have confidence in your own position. If your position was rock solid you would not have to fool yourself. All you would have to do is properly quote me without any edits, then deliver your good strong counter-position. Since you don't do that you have to fool yourself and make up my part and yours so you can control the conversation. Except then it's not really a conversation at all. It's one person giving both sides, then agreeing with himself. IOW, Fiction.

    It really causes me to believe more strongly in my position when the only way people can find to counter it is to pretend it's really something else easier to tear up.

    Classic failed straw man argument.

    You claimed I said:

    "All they have is not voting for a narcissist, liar, racist, conWOman, and cheat."

    I really said:

    "All they have is voting for a narcissist, liar, racist, conman, and cheat."

    (no wonder they are depressed.)
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    Hello Old Trapper,

    Quote Originally Posted by Old Trapper View Post
    Typical for a right wing coward to call veterans who served their country, not just their own self pleasures, "nuttier than a squirrel turd".

    I would bet you support Trumps cutting of funding for mental health services too.

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...-proposal-cuts
    Trump needs to fund some mental health services for himself.
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    Hello Sirthinksalot,

    Quote Originally Posted by Sirthinksalot View Post
    Perhaps these middle aged white men are taking what the liberals say about them to heart. Us middle aged white guys are constantly being told that we are the cause of all the world's problems.
    "Us middle aged white guys are constantly being told that we are the cause of all the world's problems."

    Sounds like a pretty big exaggeration, mixed with a strong dose of victimhood.
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    Hello Flash,

    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    POLITALKER,

    Certainly your research shows these are longer-term trends than since Trump took office. That is simplistic claptrap but not as much as implying presidents have anything to do with these factors.

    "Since 1999, the number of drug overdose deaths has more than quadrupled. Deaths attributed to opioids were nearly six times greater in 2017 than they were in 1999."

    That damn Bush and Obama!

    "By the revised measure, life expectancy in 2015 and 2016 was flat, at 78.7, a decline from 78.9 in 2014. Any revision for 2017’s estimate of 78.6 years will come next year.

    In a third report, the government detailed the ongoing growth of deaths from suicide, which has climbed steadily since 1999 and grown worse since 2006."

    That damn Bush and Obama
    I blame improperly regulated capitalism and the class war. Trump didn't originate that, he has only made it worse.
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