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Thread: One Nation, Under Stress: A New Documentary By Dr. Sanjay Gupta Questions Our Society

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    Hello Flash,

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    You connect these social problems to economic system without any evidence.

    Suicides: These are nations often labeled as "socialist" (or happy) whose suicide rate is higher than the U. S.: Belgium, Japan, France, Switzerland, Finland, Austria, Belarus, Sweden (one rank behind U. S.)

    Alcohol Deaths: Belarus, Denmark, Finland, Germany, France, Norway, Austria, Cuba, Sweden, Belgium,

    Drug Deaths: the U. S. leads in drug deaths. Following the U. S. in opioid use (in order) are: Canada, Germany, Denmark, Belgium, Austria, Switzerland, Australia, Holland, Spain, Luxembourg, Norway, Great Britain, Ireland, New Zealand, Sweden

    It appears that there is little relationship between these three social problems an economic system. Social problems can seldom be blamed on any one factor. Some things, like the decline in the crime rate in the U. S., cannot really be explained.

    https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/...ol/by-country/

    http://worldpopulationreview.com/cou...te-by-country/

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...e-deaths-world
    The decline in crime rates all over the world has been linked to the phase-out of leaded gasoline.

    As far as linking the declining life expectancy to financial insecurity, it is the best explanation which can be arrived at. The highest rate of deaths of despair is among white men age 25-55. These are men who were raised hearing stories of how men were able to dominate as kings of their own castles. But their real-life experiences were different. Lay-offs and job downsizing meant they would not be what their fathers and grandfathers were. It's depressing. It only makes sense that some of them would lose hope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Flash,

    As far as linking the declining life expectancy to financial insecurity, it is the best explanation which can be arrived at. The highest rate of deaths of despair is among white men age 25-55. These are men who were raised hearing stories of how men were able to dominate as kings of their own castles. But their real-life experiences were different. Lay-offs and job downsizing meant they would not be what their fathers and grandfathers were. It's depressing. It only makes sense that some of them would lose hope.
    If there is a link between life expectancy and financial insecurity, that still does not link it to type of economic system since a majority (12/18) of high income countries experienced a decline in life expectancy. The U. S. and UK are the lowest of these nations but drug overdose deaths is high in Sweden and Denmark and increasing in Canada, Australia, and the UK. Influenza and pneumonia are also causes of decreased life expectancy. [British Medical Journal]

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    If there is a link between life expectancy and financial insecurity, that still does not link it to type of economic system since a majority (12/18) of high income countries experienced a decline in life expectancy. The U. S. and UK are the lowest of these nations but drug overdose deaths is high in Sweden and Denmark and increasing in Canada, Australia, and the UK. Influenza and pneumonia are also causes of decreased life expectancy. [British Medical Journal]
    Part of the problem regarding the recent spike of drug deaths in the USA is linked directly to improperly regulated capitalism. It stems from the greed of our for-profit drug industry pushing pain killers like Halloween candy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Flash,



    Part of the problem regarding the recent spike of drug deaths in the USA is linked directly to improperly regulated capitalism. It stems from the greed of our for-profit drug industry pushing pain killers like Halloween candy.
    I don't think that relates to economic system. The U. S. has less regulation on marketing of pharmaceuticals but socialist nations have similar problems with opiates and most have less regulations of nicotine. Regulations can be more or less strict in either type of system. People selling cigarettes or pharmaceuticals are no more or less greedy in capitalist or socialist systems. People working for the government are no less greedy than those working for private business.

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    Hello Flash,

    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    I don't think that relates to economic system. The U. S. has less regulation on marketing of pharmaceuticals but socialist nations have similar problems with opiates and most have less regulations of nicotine. Regulations can be more or less strict in either type of system. People selling cigarettes or pharmaceuticals are no more or less greedy in capitalist or socialist systems. People working for the government are no less greedy than those working for private business.
    Greed hurts.

    If violates the basic test which everyone should ask themselves prior to taking any action.

    "If everyone were to do this, would it be a good thing?"

    If the answer is no, then the action being considered should not be done.

    It's just basic logic. Religions try to teach this, but generally fail because they ask people to believe in a supernatural creator/overseer being, which is kind of hard to really believe in. Oh, I know most people pretend to believe, but I think they have doubts they never dare voice. That's why so many people pretend to be religious, but don't really follow all the scripture 'religiously.'

    But unlike religion, the logic is sound. And it is not very complicated.

    It goes like this.

    Humans have advanced a long way from cavemen with no tools to hunter-gatherers to computers and music videos.

    We didn't make that advancement by taking things away from other humans. Somebody had to invent every advancement. Much of our advancements came as a result of people working together for the common good.

    The only way for humans to continue advancement is for people to work together, not in opposition to one another.

    Doing good things is just that.

    Doing bad things goes against it.

    That is why the simple question: ""If everyone were to do this, would it be a good thing?" should be the guiding principle for everyone.

    Obviously, greed and selfishness do not satisfy the question.

    Those things are wrong.

    Improperly regulated capitalism is the epitome of those things, so that is also wrong.

    Straight up socialism zaps the creative spirit, so that is also wrong.

    That is why we simply need to enhance and tend to our system of mixed socialism and capitalism.

    That is why we need to best possible free education system in the world, the smartest populace, and we need to make it totally in vogue to be very well informed and politically engaged.

    Our system of self-government depends on the active participation of a well informed and well educated populace. That is when it will work best, and since we don't have that yet, it is why we currently have so many problems.

    But we are a young nation. We've got dues to pay. Having Trump as President is a wake-up call. Let us hope the nation of good people is listening.

    President Trump is right in a way. Our nation is full. Full of deplorables. We don't need any more deplorables. We need to stop churning them out. It is fine to let them have their say. That is a part of freedom of speech. It is like we are giving them enough rope to hang themselves, because what they say makes no sense and will not lead to an enduring nation or make America great. Hate is not great. Hate is wrong.

    It violates the basic logical rule of life.
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