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    Default IS BREXIT DEAD?? Theresa May dealt Brexit blow as Parliament seizes control



    After Monday night's votes, hard Brexiteers have some serious thinking to do

    Analysis by Luke McGee, CNN

    As this phase of the Brexit process grinds towards its excruciating conclusion, mercifully, we might finally be about to learn what can command a majority among lawmakers in the House of Commons. And, in bad news for hard Brexiteers, it looks like their dream is dying.

    On Monday night, Members of Parliament indicated to Theresa May that they want to wrestle Brexit out of the government’s hands and take control of the process.

    This means indicative votes on Wednesday, in which the Commons will likely coalesce around a softer version of Brexit. If the diehard Brexiteers didn’t like May’s deal, they’re going to hate what could be about to come.

    We already know that the majority of the Commons opposes a no-deal Brexit – something the Brexiteers see as a preferable alternative to May’s deal. These indicative votes will likely show us that a majority of MPs also favor closer ties to Europe as a way forward.

    The EU is also committed to avoiding a no deal and getting this mess sorted. At last week’s EU Council summit, 27 European leaders agreed to the UK’s request to extend article 50. But it did so via a dual-track extension, which gives the UK wiggle room to prevent a cliff edge.

    The EU’s so-called “flextension” allows the UK the option of delaying Brexit day until May 22, but on the condition that the PM’s deal gets approved this week. If it doesn’t, then it’s not the end of the world: the government will have until April 12 to tell the EU what it wants to do next.

    At this point, it’s hard to see any option other than crashing into a no-deal scenario on April 12 or requesting a longer, possibly years-long extension. This would mean the UK remaining in the EU for an extended period and standing in European elections on May 23. And that option, already distasteful enough to Brexiteers, could also open a path to a second referendum and the possibility of Brexit being cancelled altogether.

    With few options realistically available, hard Brexiteers need to think carefully.

    Do they want to see MPs take control of Brexit and force through a version of Brexit they hate even more than May’s? Do they want to see Brexit delayed potentially for years?

    Or can they hold their noses and, should May bring Meaningful Vote 3 back to the Commons this week, give her the nod she’s been waiting months for?

    Theresa May’s wounded Brexit deal is gasping for life. But so too is the dream of a clean break with Europe.

    A final point: with Parliament currently united only on the fact that it wants something other than May’s deal and neither main party having a working Parliamentary majority, things beyond Brexit look murky. Traditionally, the only way out of such a deadlock is some kind of public vote. We might be closer to a general election than many realize.
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    No deal is now the most likely result, and amen to that!

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    No deal Brexit would be ‘a BLESSED RELEASE' and 'a lucky ESCAPE’ leading economist claims

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...rliament-eu-uk

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    It is all really a question of a loss of nerve by the sane people who usually run the UK. Cameron convinced them that they could shut up the tory nutters by putting their howls at the moon to popular vote, little realising that the brexiteers were incredible liars and that 'the People' would vote on those lies, together with all sorts of other, irrelevant matters. The brexiteers have shown, again and again and again and again that they haven't got the guts to take responsibility for their own bullshit, and obviously these clowns couldn't dream of running a piss-up in a brewery even if they could find the brewery, despite their statements that all they want is free beer and Christmas every day paid for by the EU. The normal leaders are going to have to bite the bullet and chuck the whole silly gang down the shitter, and the first step will be to hold a referendum on Mrs May's Deal, which seems to be the only one conceivable now. Only bean-brains like Havana Loon support brexit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iolo View Post
    It is all really a question of a loss of nerve by the sane people who usually run the UK. Cameron convinced them that they could shut up the tory nutters by putting their howls at the moon to popular vote, little realising that the brexiteers were incredible liars and that 'the People' would vote on those lies, together with all sorts of other, irrelevant matters. The brexiteers have shown, again and again and again and again that they haven't got the guts to take responsibility for their own bullshit, and obviously these clowns couldn't dream of running a piss-up in a brewery even if they could find the brewery, despitetheir statements that all they want is free beer and Christmas every day paid for by the EU. The normal leaders are going to have to bite the bullet and chuck the whole silly gang down the shitter, and the first step will be to hold a referendum on Mrs May's Deal, which seems to be the only one conceivable now. Only bean-brains support brexit.
    Arrogant Marxist twat, just dismisses 17.4 million people as deluded and ignorant. God help us if Corbyn's Cockwombles ever got a sniff of power. M Donnell is an unashamed Marxist who would destroy the economy like Maduro did in Venezuela.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    Russia made Brexit happen


    both our nations need to realize the hell Russia delivered to the world

    Trump and Brexit
    You are totally batshit crazy!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by iolo View Post
    the first step will be to hold a referendum on Mrs May's Deal, which seems to be the only one conceivable now. Only bean-brains support brexit.
    Isn't Mrs May's deal FOR Brexit? That's what she says, lol.

    The fundamental problem is that the EU Project, with its ratchet of ever closer union, is removing power further and further from the people. That's what the ideologues designed it to do, because they distrust (perhaps even despise) the people.

    Who runs the EU? Governments, especially the Big Two, and unaccountable bureaucrats appointed by them. The European Parliament is notoriously useless and has never done anything. The people are nowhere. And there's no hope of meaningful reform, because the ideologues will never allow it.

    Are you happy with that? I'm not, and my brain is bigger than a bean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquillus in Exile View Post
    Isn't Mrs May's deal FOR Brexit? That's what she says, lol.

    The fundamental problem is that the EU Project, with its ratchet of ever closer union, is removing power further and further from the people. That's what the ideologues designed it to do, because they distrust (perhaps even despise) the people.

    Who runs the EU? Governments, especially the Big Two, and overpaid bureaucrats appointed by them. The European Parliament is notoriously useless and has never done anything. The people are nowhere. And there's no hope of meaningful reform, because the ideologues will never allow it.

    Are you happy with that? I'm not, and my brain is bigger than a bean.
    Mrs May's proposal is the only one the EU will accept, so it should obviously be voted on by the people who wanted to leave the EU. It is obviously, and in every way, inferior to EU membership, as was to be expected from the beginning. If we vote for closer union, closer union there will be. Why should we? If you want more democracy in the EU, vote for more power for the Assembly. But I have just as much influence there as I have in the Westminster Parliament, namely bugger all. It means my grandchildren will have jobs and there won't be European wars, though, and that matters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquillus in Exile View Post
    Isn't Mrs May's deal FOR Brexit? That's what she says, lol.

    The fundamental problem is that the EU Project, with its ratchet of ever closer union, is removing power further and further from the people. That's what the ideologues designed it to do, because they distrust (perhaps even despise) the people.

    Who runs the EU? Governments, especially the Big Two, and unaccountable bureaucrats appointed by them. The European Parliament is notoriously useless and has never done anything. The people are nowhere. And there's no hope of meaningful reform, because the ideologues will never allow it.

    Are you happy with that? I'm not, and my brain is bigger than a bean.
    The Welsh Windbag likes the EU as they dole out grants and put up big signs loudly proclaiming their largesse. Of course the fact that it's just British money recycled is neither here nor there. Anyway it is looking like May may resign today and a caretaker take over. It is rumoured that Rees-Mogg is onboard for the Withdrawal Agreement which only leaves the stubborn buggers in the DUP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iolo View Post
    Mrs May's proposal is the only one the EU will accept, so it should obviously be voted on by the people who wanted to leave the EU. It is obviously, and in every way, inferior to EU membership, as was to be expected from the beginning. If we vote for closer union, closer union there will be. Why should we? If you want more democracy in the EU, vote for more power for the Assembly. But I have just as much influence there as I have in the Westminster Parliament, namely bugger all. It means my grandchildren will have jobs and there won't be European wars, though, and that matters
    Now the Welsh Wanker is promoting the canard that the EU has prevented war, what a complete load of old bollocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    Now the Welsh Wanker is promoting the canard that the EU has prevented war, what a complete load of old bollocks.
    In that sense the EU is a solution to a problem that no longer existed fifty years ago.

    Otoh it may have prevented another Mongol invasion.

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    Give the likes of the Loon any power and there'll be wars at once, probably with Lichtenstein or some other threatening Great Power of about the English mark. These Nazi shits are very, very tedious!

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    Quote Originally Posted by iolo View Post
    Give the likes of the Loon any power and there'll be wars at once, probably with Lichtenstein or some other threatening Great Power of about the English mark. These Nazi shits are very, very tedious!
    This is what would happen if the Welsh Windbag had his way!!

    http://standpointmag.co.uk/february-...d-to-socialism

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