Reply With QuoteIf she does get the boot does that increase or decrease the chances of a re-vote???Originally Posted by Havana Moon
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the united kingdom is dead also mate
De l'audace, encore de l'audace, toujours de l'audace et la Patrie sera sauvée!
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If she does get the boot does that increase or decrease the chances of a re-vote???
"There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."
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Increases the chances of a meaningful vote passing, especially since Jacob Rees-Mogg and maybe even Boris are on-side. It's all down to the Fomocratic Unionists, who are still holding out.
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Looks like JRM is on-board!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Mays-deal.html
Malarkeyville
MPs have again failed to agree on proposals for the next steps in the Brexit process.
The Commons voted on four motions for leaving the EU, including a customs union and a Norway-style arrangement - keeping the UK in the single market - but none gained a majority.
The votes were not legally binding, so the government would not have been forced to adopt the proposals.
The plan Theresa May negotiated with the EU has been rejected three times.
Mrs May now has until 12 April to either seek a longer extension from the EU to take a different course or decide to leave the EU without a deal.
She will meet her cabinet on Tuesday morning to discuss what to do next - as BBC political correspondent Vicky Young says.
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No deal #Brexit in 11 days unless the Cabinet decides otherwise tomorrow.
— Vicki Young (@BBCVickiYoung) April 1, 2019
Report
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As it happened: Brexit votes
How did my MP vote on Brexit options?
MPs debate stop-Brexit petition
What does a soft Brexit mean?
The option defeated by the narrowest margin was a proposal for a customs union, losing by only three votes.
That would see the UK remain in the same system of tariffs - taxes - on goods as the rest of the EU - potentially simplifying the issue of the Northern Ireland border, but preventing the UK from striking independent trade deals with other countries.
The motion calling for a confirmatory referendum received the most votes in favour, totalling 280, but still lost by a margin of 12.
Following the failure of his own motion to stay in the Single Market - known as Common Market 2.0 - Nick Boles resigned from the Conservative Party.
In a point of order following the results, the MP for Grantham and Stamford said he could "no longer sit for this party", adding: "I have done everything I can to find a compromise."
As he left the Commons, MPs were heard shouting, "don't go Nick", and others applauded him.
He later tweeted that he would remain an MP and sit in the Commons as "an Independent Progressive Conservative".
"The government continues to believe that the best course of action is to do so as soon as possible," he said.
"If the House is able to pass a deal this week it may still be possible to avoid holding European elections."
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said it was "disappointing" that none of the proposals secured a majority, but he said he wanted to remind the Commons that Mrs May's deal had been "overwhelmingly rejected".
He added: "If it is good enough for the prime minister to have three chances at her deal, then I suggest it's possible the House should have a chance to consider again the options we had before us... so the House can succeed where the prime minister has failed - in presenting a credible economic relationship with Europe for the future that prevents us crashing out with no deal."
More @ source
"There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."
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I am good with a no deal, as is Mervyn King the former governor of the BoE. We have been fucked about for long enough!!
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...elay-king-says
Stretch (04-02-2019)
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The problem here is finding a compromise between leaving and not leaving. I think they should leave, then hold a referendum every year on whether to rejoin. Or vice versa.
Seriously, enough is enough. Leave, and bugger the Irish border. We'll see if the sky really does fall.
cancel2 2022 (04-02-2019), Stretch (04-02-2019)
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Here is an interesting take from John Finnis, emeritus Professor of Law at Oxford (he seems to be one of those dummies who don't understand stuff like the Remoaners).
The legal and democratic principles of our constitution now point to one resolution of the EU withdrawal crisis: prorogation of Parliament for two or three weeks, so that ministers can settle down to exercising their abundant statutory and prerogative powers to prepare for the immediate consequences of a no-deal withdrawal on April 12.
Whatever the merits of Brexit and of the withdrawal agreement on offer, a decision to terminate parliamentary debate now until soon after April 12 would be effective and lawful, but also wholly legitimate as a matter of constitutional principle, parliamentary practice, the interests of good government, and the responsible conduct of our international relations.
The vast majority of Members of Parliament were elected on manifestos promising departure from the EU on terms that are compatible with no deal (whether or not they are compatible also with the deal now thrice rejected by the Commons). The Commons has since February been dealing with Brexit in a manner diverging more and more widely from centuries-old practices and standing orders historically proven necessary to governing in accordance with a Westminster-type constitution, perhaps our greatest contribution to civilised political life in many countries.
Sir Stephen Laws and Richard Ekins, in yesterday’s Policy Exchange paper Endangering Constitutional Government: the risks of the House of Commons taking control, have traced the acts and statements establishing that, in these matters, we have what could even be described as a rogue Commons with a rogue Speaker. The project popularly known as “seizing control of Brexit” is, as their paper forcefully shows, a constitutional monstrosity but also, regrettably, a reality. In summary, the project is going forward by way of motions whose introducer, Sir Oliver Letwin, told the House on February 14 of his intent to effect “the fundamental realignment of the relationship between the civil service, Government and Parliament” and to substitute the House for the Cabinet. Ill-assorted majorities in the House are knowingly deviating from constitutional principle.
The Government, therefore, can with full legitimacy consider the House’s imminent operations illegitimate in intent and chaotic in effect. These are illegitimate operations which are prejudicial to the conduct of government and international relations, and to the delivery of something this Parliament and its predecessor have approved, again and again, in considerable detail: carrying out a decision of the British people to exercise their treaty-based (Article 50) right to terminate their law-generating treaty relations with the European Union and its other members.
Lords and Commons authorised the referendum by huge majorities after the ministers introduced the Bill by saying it was to let the people, not the Government or Parliament, decide between leaving and remaining. The present Parliament’s European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 timetabled the withdrawal and, by Section 13, the associated parliamentary proceedings.
But, as Laws and Ekins demonstrate, age-old assumptions about parliamentary business, taken for granted in Section 13, have been subverted by the Speaker’s rulings. These rulings mean that anti-Government majorities, unwilling to replace this Government and trigger an election, can now usurp the Government’s role in managing withdrawal. They can override Government resistance by contempt rulings, or even by passing in both Houses a Bill for imposing statutory control of our dealings with the EU. They could soon involve the Queen in either overriding her own ministers by assenting to such a Bill or overriding the Commons (and Lords) by accepting her ministers’ advice – which would be proper and appropriate – to withhold her assent.
Fully constitutional conduct of the nation’s affairs will only be restored if those parliamentary manoeuvres are terminated. The democratic decisions already taken mean that the referendum result would then take effect automatically on April 12, the exit day provided for in the Withdrawal Act as amended on March 28.
Meanwhile, ministers could spend two working weeks getting many immediate economic and political relations with the EU, including Ireland, and with the rest of the world, on to a pragmatic footing.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...t-allow-us-eu/
Stretch (04-02-2019)
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The only sensible answer is a second Civil War, obviously.
fully immersed in faith..
pretty sure Trump will agree to a trade deal with you......
Stretch (04-02-2019)
fully immersed in faith..
my suggestion is a purge of Wales.......
fully immersed in faith..
apparently neither, since she offered to leave if the last vote passed......
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Alex Jones called, he said don't be such a conspiracy nut.
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cancel2 2022 (04-02-2019)
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She's a lunatic, pay her no mind!
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