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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    YOU were DUPED!!!!!! Own it!
    Why should we apologize?

    I wasn't duped because I didn't believe they would get him on the Russia thing. I do believe he obstructed justice, though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    Why should we apologize?

    I wasn't duped because I didn't believe they would get him on the Russia thing. I do believe he obstructed justice, though.
    Desperation has it's hold. It's not uncommon for the right to only hear the part they want. Now they're all acting like Yurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    Mueller chose some bad associations. Top of the list: Andrew "Pit Bull" Weissmann.
    Weissmann went after three NY crime families and prosecuted a bunch of Enron thieves and grifters. If that makes him bad I'll take it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    Didn't take me long to discover that Comey and Mueller working together screwed up the anthrax investigation. It was farcical.the way they handled it yet neither seemed to have suffered because of it.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...se_133953.html
    It was a royal screw up that started with bush's AG John Ashcroft and especially Dr. Barbara Rosenberg. Mueller and Comey were just part of it, not the initiators.


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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    Why should we apologize?

    I wasn't duped because I didn't believe they would get him on the Russia thing. I do believe he obstructed justice, though.
    There was no Russian Collusion, therefore ... there was nothing to "obstruct".
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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    Why should we apologize?

    I wasn't duped because I didn't believe they would get him on the Russia thing. I do believe he obstructed justice, though.
    Once again, how? And don't say the Comey firing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    There was no Russian Collusion, therefore ... there was nothing to "obstruct".
    If I understand it right, it’s technically within the law to charge someone with obstruction on a pointless investigation but getting a jury to buy it would be a problem.

    And in this case, getting the public to buy it would be a huge problem.

    Another problem is Trump had a thousand and one opportunities to obstruct Mullet—and he never raised a finger. In fact, the lefties were all but begging Trump to obstruct and he didn’t bite on it.

    Mullet didn’t charge him because he knew it wouldn’t go anywhere. The non-exoneration was a bone thrown to The Resistance. A sop for their tears lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    Once again, how? And don't say the Comey firing.
    Comey's firing is the most obvious, it can't be ignored.

    The clearest example of Trump possibly working to obstruct a proceeding is, obviously, his firing of FBI Director James Comey—an action Trump’s former strategist Steve Bannon called, “the biggest mistake maybe in modern political history.” Berke, Bookbinder and Eisen point out that while the president has the right to fire anyone who works for him, he cannot do so if it is “done for the corrupt purpose of obstructing an investigation.” The analogy they make is to the right of an employer to fire someone but not on the basis of their race, sex, or religion.

    As for witness intimidation, the authors point to a long list of presidential tweets and statements ranging from his now familiar cry to end the “witch hunt,” to his attempts to discredit senior FBI officials, to his lawyer publicly speculating about pardons for his former colleagues, to revoking John Brennan’s security clearance because he led the “sham” Russian investigation. Witness tampering, according to the authors, “need not be explicit or overt. … Suggestive threatening, intimidating or persuasive statements are sufficient to support a case under Section 1512 (b).”

    The third point the authors make has to do with corrupt intent—a phrase they admit is very vague. But here too, they cite a long list of Trump’s actions, including ordering Deputy Attorney General Rode Rosenstein to “…draft a memo on Comey’s conduct that the president would subsequently use as cover for Comey’s firing…” They go on to write that President Trump, “faces exposure under both the ‘offense clause’ and the ‘defraud clause’ of the conspiracy statute.”

    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgo...esident-trump/


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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Beto Omar View Post
    If I understand it right, it’s technically within the law to charge someone with obstruction on a pointless investigation but getting a jury to buy it would be a problem.

    And in this case, getting the public to buy it would be a huge problem.

    Another problem is Trump had a thousand and one opportunities to obstruct Mullet—and he never raised a finger. In fact, the lefties were all but begging Trump to obstruct and he didn’t bite on it.

    Mullet didn’t charge him because he knew it wouldn’t go anywhere. The non-exoneration was a bone thrown to The Resistance. A sop for their tears lol.
    Read carefully, Darthy.

    "Legal experts told us that a president (or anyone) could still be prosecuted for obstructing justice if they believed they might be prosecuted — even if they ultimately never are.

    "You can obstruct justice even if a prosecutor ultimately finds you were not guilty of committing the crime that was the focus of the underlying investigation," said Miriam Baer, a professor at Brooklyn Law School. "Even if a prosecutor ultimately concluded that you weren’t guilty of crime X, that says nothing as to whether you thought that you might be indicted for crime X, or, for that matter, if you thought one of your friends of family members would be indicted for crime X."

    Eric Posner, a professor at the University of Chicago Law School, agreed that an obstruction prosecution could have been argued in this case.

    "Suppose Trump knew that no crime had been committed but believed that the investigation would uncover politically or personally embarrassing information, or if he believed that the investigation would embarrass or implicate an ally, aide, or family member," Posner said. "Then interfering with the investigation is a crime. The reason is that the purpose of the investigation is to find the truth, and if people obstruct an investigation, then the investigation becomes more difficult, wasting government resources."

    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-be-obstructi/


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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    Read carefully, Darthy.

    "Legal experts told us that a president (or anyone) could still be prosecuted for obstructing justice if they believed they might be prosecuted — even if they ultimately never are.

    "You can obstruct justice even if a prosecutor ultimately finds you were not guilty of committing the crime that was the focus of the underlying investigation," said Miriam Baer, a professor at Brooklyn Law School. "Even if a prosecutor ultimately concluded that you weren’t guilty of crime X, that says nothing as to whether you thought that you might be indicted for crime X, or, for that matter, if you thought one of your friends of family members would be indicted for crime X."

    Eric Posner, a professor at the University of Chicago Law School, agreed that an obstruction prosecution could have been argued in this case.

    "Suppose Trump knew that no crime had been committed but believed that the investigation would uncover politically or personally embarrassing information, or if he believed that the investigation would embarrass or implicate an ally, aide, or family member," Posner said. "Then interfering with the investigation is a crime. The reason is that the purpose of the investigation is to find the truth, and if people obstruct an investigation, then the investigation becomes more difficult, wasting government resources."

    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-be-obstructi/
    How do you think it would fly, politically, if they tried to charge Trump for obstructing an investigation that turned out to be pointless if not entirely bogus? Maybe the Resistance should just cut their loses on this.

    Btw, how exactly did Trump ‘obstruct’ the Russian investigation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    Comey's firing is the most obvious, it can't be ignored.

    The clearest example of Trump possibly working to obstruct a proceeding is, obviously, his firing of FBI Director James Comey—an action Trump’s former strategist Steve Bannon called, “the biggest mistake maybe in modern political history.”
    Lots of people made mistakes in this fiasco. I agree it was a mistake to fire Comey when he did but hindsight is 20/20. Better to have fired Comey on inauguration day. He was a bumbling, incompetent and insubordinate director. But even though Trump missed that opportunity better to have appointed an independent council, then fire him.
    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    P Berke, Bookbinder and Eisen point out that while the president has the right to fire anyone who works for him, he cannot do so if it is “done for the corrupt purpose of obstructing an investigation.”
    Yes you can make that argument but there is no doubt Comey needed to go for other reasons.
    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    As for witness intimidation, the authors point to a long list of presidential tweets and statements ranging from his now familiar cry to end the “witch hunt,” to his attempts to discredit senior FBI officials, to his lawyer publicly speculating about pardons for his former colleagues, to revoking John Brennan’s security clearance because he led the “sham” Russian investigation. Witness tampering, according to the authors, “need not be explicit or overt. … Suggestive threatening, intimidating or persuasive statements are sufficient to support a case under Section 1512 (b).”

    The third point the authors make has to do with corrupt intent—a phrase they admit is very vague. But here too, they cite a long list of Trump’s actions, including ordering Deputy Attorney General Rode Rosenstein to “…draft a memo on Comey’s conduct that the president would subsequently use as cover for Comey’s firing…” They go on to write that President Trump, “faces exposure under both the ‘offense clause’ and the ‘defraud clause’ of the conspiracy statute.”

    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgo...esident-trump/
    Well good luck with that. You've presented absolutely nothing we all didn't already know. Including Mueller, Barr and Rosenstein. So why doesn't the House initiate impeachment proceedings? You know the answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    The reds cannot accept the results of 12 Hillary investigations. Even after a few years. Innocent. But before the investigations are done, Trump is not guilty. WTF. His campaign manager and long term lawyer are in jail. They admitted guilt. 5 others are likely going to jail. 30 others indicted. This is just Trump doing business as usual. He leaves disasters in his wake. Others take the blame and he pockets the money. But Trump is filthy. Let's see his taxes.
    All we've got so far is Barr covering for Trump, which is the reason that he got the job.

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    MAGA = White Nationalist
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