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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    I don't like his regulations, but many public colleges do try to restrict free speech by excluding certain types, limiting speech to certain areas..........
    Free speech doesn't mean everyone gets a platform. You can say whatever you want on a college campus, and as long as you aren't threatening anyone, you won't be arrested. However, that doesn't mean said college will invite you to speak at an assembly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Colleges don't have to provide a platform, but in open public areas such as parks people are free to make speeches about their political views. That concept also applies to areas on college campus but some schools have limited that speech (including tables distributing literature) to very small areas of the campus that are away from most student traffic.
    That's understandable. People shouldn't be able to block entrances and exits, so you have to designate certain areas as ok for handing out literature. As long as they have some space, and the college doesn't discriminate based on views, it shouldn't be an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Violations of speech codes usually involve school policies and not criminal laws. Criminal violations usually involve trespassing by non-students or being in non-free speech areas.

    Some of the speech codes prohibit: "eye contact or lack thereof," and banned words include snowman, "blind leading the blind," polo, "past one's prime," "old wive's tale," Founding Fathers, drunken or drunkenness, insane, Man of War, huts.
    But schools are allowed to set their own policies. That's not a violation of freedom of speech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    But schools are allowed to set their own policies. That's not a violation of freedom of speech.
    Yes, it is.

    When universities that receive federal or state funding ban conservative speakers from their campuses and do not prevent rioting when a conservative speaker is invited and he is prevented from speaking (see The University of California, Berkeley), the free speech provision of the First Amendment has been violated.

    "First Amendment

    The First Amendment guarantees freedoms concerning religion, expression, assembly, and the right to petition. It forbids Congress from both promoting one religion over others and also restricting an individual’s religious practices. It guarantees freedom of expression by prohibiting Congress from restricting the press or the rights of individuals to speak freely. It also guarantees the right of citizens to assemble peaceably and to petition their government.

    Amendment I

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
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    He got a lot of what he wanted. What irked me the most was using the EPA to circumvent congress to make laws.
    WOTUS placed my house under the jurisdiction of the EPA because it's situated close to a creek that was arbitrarily ruled a "Water of the United States" .
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    There would have been hundreds of thousands of others in your situation, WOTUS was a potential disaster in the making.

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    Trump signs executive order to promote free speech on college campuses
    What a farce !. Trump has trashed the First Amendment by making it illegal to choose to boycott the fascist Izraeli regime.

    Enough hypocrisy already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    That's understandable. People shouldn't be able to block entrances and exits, so you have to designate certain areas as ok for handing out literature. As long as they have some space, and the college doesn't discriminate based on views, it shouldn't be an issue.
    The problem is colleges are discriminating based on views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    What a farce !. Trump has trashed the First Amendment by making it illegal to choose to boycott the fascist Izraeli regime.

    Enough hypocrisy already.
    There is no fascist Israeli regime. You made it up to try and feel better about sub human Palestinians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CFM View Post
    There is no fascist Israeli regime.
    So why does the Izraeli press say that there is ? C'mon, get your hand off it and think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CFM View Post
    The problem is colleges are discriminating based on views.
    Well if they are, that's wrong, and I think people should protest that. But that still isn't a violation of free speech. Freedom of speech means the government can't take away your rights because of what you say.

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    Wakey, wakey;

    Trump has trashed the First Amendment by making it illegal to choose to boycott the fascist Izraeli regime.

    Enough hypocrisy already.
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    We don't know what happened after that . "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    Yes, it is.

    When universities that receive federal or state funding ban conservative speakers from their campuses and do not prevent rioting when a conservative speaker is invited and he is prevented from speaking (see The University of California, Berkeley), the free speech provision of the First Amendment has been violated.
    They don't ban Conservatives from speaking on campus. Some colleges don't let Conservatives speak at assemblies, and I disagree with that, but they're under no legal obligation to give everyone a platform.
    And of course they do their best to prevent rioting. They may not always succeed, because a huge mass of people rioting is often hard to control, but no college wants property destroyed and people hurt over a riot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    Wakey, wakey;

    Trump has trashed the First Amendment by making it illegal to choose to boycott the fascist Izraeli regime.

    Enough hypocrisy already.
    He went in as an outsider, but became part of the (((establishment))).

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    So why can't you give me some names?

    Ok, so let's be real here. You don't understand the difference between free speech and being given a platform. College campuses have free speech. You can say anything you want, as long as it isn't a threat, and the cops won't arrest you. However, the colleges themselves get to decide whether or not to give you a platform.

    This is what many on the Right seem to not understand.

    https://www.aclu.org/other/speech-campus

    Q: The First Amendment prevents the government from arresting people for what they say, but who says the Constitution guarantees speakers a platform on campus?

    A: The First Amendment does not require the government to provide a platform to anyone, but it does prohibit the government from discriminating against speech on the basis of the speaker’s viewpoint. For example, public colleges and universities have no obligation to fund student publications; however, the Supreme Court has held that if a public university voluntarily provides these funds, it cannot selectively withhold them from particular student publications simply because they advocate a controversial point of view.

    Of course, public colleges and universities are free to invite whomever they like to speak at commencement ceremonies or other events, just as students are free to protest speakers they find offensive. College administrators cannot, however, dictate which speakers students may invite to campus on their own initiative. If a college or university usually allows students to use campus resources (such as auditoriums) to entertain guests, the school cannot withdraw those resources simply because students have invited a controversial speaker to campus.
    Still failing there Stone. Miserably I might add.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    Still failing there Stone. Miserably I might add.
    As if your judgement was worth spit, you craven fraud.
    " First they came for the journalists...
    We don't know what happened after that . "

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