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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfreak View Post
    What facts did you cite on this thread?

    You lie... I did not leave because anyone proved me wrong. You fucking idiot. you just blatantly make up lies.

    You are lying again. Clinton crashed the economy. Twice. Obama wrecked it with all the free money via QE and all the debt he added.

    Why do you lie so much Desh?
    Quite true. Obama took the downturn from 2007 and turned it into an eight year disaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    If there are that many polar bears now, lets put them to use. A sustainable meat source.
    They ARE used as a meat source by the Inuit. No one else is allowed to hunt them anymore (at least in Canada or Alaska). Who knows what folks in Siberia are doing with them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    They ARE used as a meat source by the Inuit. No one else is allowed to hunt them anymore (at least in Canada or Alaska). Who knows what folks in Siberia are doing with them?
    After seeing some of those Russian Babushka's crossbreeding cannot be ruled out.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    They ARE used as a meat source by the Inuit. No one else is allowed to hunt them anymore (at least in Canada or Alaska). Who knows what folks in Siberia are doing with them?
    Date night?
    Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
    empathy for animal suffering can lack compassion for unborn children who experience lethal violence and excruciating
    pain in abortion.

    Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
    which has begun. To abort life is to end it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    After seeing some of those Russian Babushka's crossbreeding cannot be ruled out.........
    LOL that's funny ..........like minds.
    Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
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    Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    ice stable over past 12 years

    Just 10 years ago a number of “experts” predicted that the Arctic sea ice would disappear in late summer by now. Today we see that Arctic sea ice has since stabilized and there has been no decrease in 12 years.
    Thanks to some of Obama's environmental policies, the ice has stabilized. However, much of it has melted, and that's why the number of polar bears has gone up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    LOL that's funny ..........like minds.
    Something tells me Salty you would be a lot of fun to be with!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    Something tells me Salty you would be a lot of fun to be with!
    Ahhhh man, I love laughing at stuff like this too.
    I'm sitting here working, flipping back & forth on my screens, saw 'night's' question, started laughing and saw what you wrote......yup same idea.
    Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
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    Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Thanks to some of Obama's environmental policies, the ice has stabilized. However, much of it has melted, and that's why the number of polar bears has gone up.
    Bullshit on steroids, where do you Millennials get this crap?


    Thirty Percent Increase In Arctic Sea Ice Volume Over The Past Decade

    https://realclimatescience.com/2017/...st-five-years/

    https://realclimatescience.com/2017/...ce-since-1971/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    Bullshit on steroids, where do you Millennials get this crap?
    Which part do you not (want) to believe?
    Are you a Boomer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Counting bear populations isn't science. It's census.

    The World Wildlife Fund keeps track of polar bear counts from various countries. The nation with the most data is of course Canada. Their data indicates that polar bear populations in Canada are either stable or increasing. Most places don't count polar bears, so the data is unknown. The only region indicating a decrease in polar bear population are some sections of Alaska (not all). Apparently these bears moved to Canada?

    For the populations we DO know about, there doesn't seem to be a problem with polar bears decreasing in number overall.
    You are not a scientist, your are not a polar bear expert, you are not a field biologist, and you are not a researcher.

    So you opinion is meaningless. Undoubtedly, you simply read a few paragraphs from a blog or an article and rushed back here to parrot it. I seriously doubt you have any of your own original, independent ideas, thoughts, or insights on polar bears.

    Playing armchair expert on a message board does not cut the mustard with me.

    I at least have the forthrightness to admit ignorance: it would take years of training and education as a field biologist for me to have a valid opinion on polar bears, an opinion worth listening to, let alone coming to an anonymous message board to lecture others about them.

    There is a whole body of scientific literature about polar bears that would take a graduate school career to read and digest. What I do know is that the arctic is one of the most hostile environments on earth and it is no simple matter to conduct a census of polar bears - let alone to account for ephemeral temporal, seasonal, and ecological variation at multi-year scales.
    And I do know from the experts that there are maybe a couple dozen subpopulations of polar bears, each with unique ecological and habitat requirements. So simply talking collectively about "polar bears" as a monolithic genus of animals in the context of climate does not cut the mustard.

    I would be delighted if it were determined that polar bears are going great, and that there is no risk to their habitat and their future due to humans and human-induced climate change. But I think every sentient being knows that is wishful thinking. The threats and the risk to polar bears are real, and will probably continue over the long term if we continue to ignore climate change. I for one, am willing to defer to continued research by the experts. The opinion of obscure message board posters who have no expertise to speak on the matter means nothing to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfreak View Post
    https://polarbearscience.com/

    How about a book? From: Susan Janet Crockford a Canadian zoologist, author, and blogger specializing in Holocene mammals. She is currently an adjunct professor in Anthropology at the University of Victoria.

    Specific links to her published works...

    https://polarbearscience.com/about-2/
    I looked through numerous things behind her, the book, who published it, you name it. Her accreditation is not up to snuff. Funny how her science was about it declining, up until her Heartland institute checks started rolling in.

    This part bugs me more then anything.
    Crockford is a signatory of the International Conference on Climate Change's 2008 Manhattan Declaration, which states that "Carbon dioxide and other 'greenhouse gas' emissions from human activity...appear to have only a very small impact on global climate," and "Global cooling has presented serious problems for human society and the environment throughout history while global warming has generally been highly beneficial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    Fuck off, sanctimonious sex slimeball.
    Why do you lie about things that are so easy to fact check? That's foolish.
    "Polar arctic ice is decreasing due to global warming because the ice is highly reflective, and so it's loss itself
    increases global warming, and Havana Poon is a turd gobbler." signed NASA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    Why do you lie about things that are so easy to fact check? That's foolish.
    "Polar arctic ice is decreasing due to global warming, and it's loss itself
    increases global warming." signed NASA
    https://news.nationalgeographic.com/...tica-freezing/

    Deep Bore Into Antarctica Finds Freezing Ice, Not Melting as Expected
    Scientists will leave sensors in the hole to better understand the long-term changes in the ice, which may have big implications for global sea level.

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    Surprising Finds

    The surprises began almost as soon as a camera was lowered into the first borehole, around December 1. The undersides of ice shelves are usually smooth due to gradual melting. But as the camera passed through the bottom of the hole, it showed the underside of the ice adorned with a glittering layer of flat ice crystals—like a jumble of snowflakes—evidence that in this particular place, sea water is actually freezing onto the base of the ice instead of melting it.

    “It blew our minds,” says Christina Hulbe, a glaciologist from the University of Otago in New Zealand, who co-led the expedition. The Ross Ice Shelf is considered more stable, at present, than many of West Antarctica’s other floating shelves—and this observation could help explain that: if a few inches of sea water periodically freezes onto the bottom of its ice, this could buffer it from thinning more rapidly."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    https://news.nationalgeographic.com/...tica-freezing/

    Deep Bore Into Antarctica Finds Freezing Ice, Not Melting as Expected
    Scientists will leave sensors in the hole to better understand the long-term changes in the ice, which may have big implications for global sea level.

    "
    Surprising Finds

    The surprises began almost as soon as a camera was lowered into the first borehole, around December 1. The undersides of ice shelves are usually smooth due to gradual melting. But as the camera passed through the bottom of the hole, it showed the underside of the ice adorned with a glittering layer of flat ice crystals—like a jumble of snowflakes—evidence that in this particular place, sea water is actually freezing onto the base of the ice instead of melting it.

    “It blew our minds,” says Christina Hulbe, a glaciologist from the University of Otago in New Zealand, who co-led the expedition. The Ross Ice Shelf is considered more stable, at present, than many of West Antarctica’s other floating shelves—and this observation could help explain that: if a few inches of sea water periodically freezes onto the bottom of its ice, this could buffer it from thinning more rapidly."
    different pole

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