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    Leftists shamelessly use McShamnesty to try to attack Trump

    Fuck them

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Should Trump simply ignore the fact that McCain played a significant role in an attempted coup?
    LOLOLOL.. Trump would make such a claim.. God, he is such a stupid, attention whore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    LOLOLOL.. Trump would make such a claim.. God, he is such a stupid, attention whore.
    I made the claim, not Trump. As usual, all libs have are sophomoric jibes. New details recently emerged about McCain's role in disseminating the fake dossier. Do you not follow the news?

    https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...er/3205658002/
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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    I made the claim, not Trump. As usual, all libs have are sophomoric jibes. New details recently emerged about McCain's role in disseminating the fake dossier. Do you not follow the news?

    https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...er/3205658002/
    McCain should have taken it to the FBI. Trump is not a king and he's not above the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    this is now who the republican party is

    disgracing the name of a man who gave nearly everything fighting for this nation


    Does he understand BONE SPURS never heal


    I want the exrays
    Not real sure how being shot down so early in your career as a pilot makes you a hero.

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    Eric Swalwell tweet response to Mitt Romney....re McCain

    ONE-N-DONE, YOU GOT PLAYED; Time To Play-On
    Remember ... ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES ... So STFU Bitch

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    I made the claim, not Trump. As usual, all libs have are sophomoric jibes. New details recently emerged about McCain's role in disseminating the fake dossier. Do you not follow the news?

    https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...er/3205658002/
    what part is fake asshole miner?



    how can it be fake if so many things in have been proven true?

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    If Trump praised McCain you guys would be telling us how much of an ass McCain was. That's how selective your outrage is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    what part is fake asshole miner?



    how can it be fake if so many things in have been proven true?
    Nothing has been proven, the entire thing is a hoax. Comey even said it was "salacious and unverified".

    At the time of the FISA application, it was not verified per the Wood's procedure, and still has not been. You fucks are delusional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heff View Post
    If Trump praised McCain you guys would be telling us how much of an ass McCain was. That's how selective your outrage is.
    trump faked bone spurs


    McCain served honorably


    john Kerry served honorably

    the republicans lied about his honorable service

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Nothing has been proven, the entire thing is a hoax. Comey even said it was "salacious and unverified".

    At the time of the FISA application, it was not verified per the Wood's procedure, and still has not been. You fucks are delusional.
    fuck you lying scum bag

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    fuck you lying scum bag
    Detail the parts which have been "proven". Please be detailed you lying fuck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    trump faked bone spurs


    McCain served honorably


    john Kerry served honorably

    the republicans lied about his honorable service
    Who cares? They are/were shit politicians.
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump–...ssier#Veracity


    Veracity
    Steele and the dossier have become "the central point of contention in the political brawl raging around"[63] the Special counsel investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections. Those who believe Steele consider him a hero who tried to warn about the Kremlin's meddling in the election, and people who distrust him consider him a "hired gun" used to attack Trump.[63] Russian intelligence agencies have sought to create false doubt as to the veracity of the dossier.[15]
    The dossier's "broad assertion that Russia waged a campaign to interfere in the election is now accepted as fact by the US intelligence community."[171] With the passage of time and further revelations from various investigations and sources, it is becoming clearer that the overall thrust of the dossier was accurate, but some details appear to be merely disinformation:[75]
    Some of the dossier's broad threads have now been independently corroborated. U.S. intelligence agencies and the special counsel's investigation into Russian election interference did eventually find that Kremlin-linked operatives ran an elaborate operation to promote Trump and hurt Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton, as the dossier says in its main narrative.
    — Jeff Donn, "Some Questions in Trump-Russia Dossier Now Finding Answers", Associated Press (June 29, 2018)[75]
    Reputation in the U.S. intelligence community
    On January 11, 2017, Paul Wood, of BBC News, wrote that the salacious information in Steele's dossier was also reported by "multiple intelligence sources" and "at least one East European intelligence service". They reported that "compromising material on Mr. Trump" included "more than one tape, not just video, but audio as well, on more than one date, in more than one place, in both Moscow and St. Petersburg." While also mentioning that "nobody should believe something just because an intelligence agent says it",[172][99] Wood added that "the CIA believes it is credible that the Kremlin has such kompromat—or compromising material—on the next US commander in chief" and "a joint taskforce, which includes the CIA and the FBI, has been investigating allegations that the Russians may have sent money to Mr Trump's organisation or his election campaign".[173][174][172]
    On January 12, 2017, Susan Hennessey, a former National Security Agency lawyer now with the Brookings Institution, stated: "My general take is that the intelligence community and law enforcement seem to be taking these claims seriously. That itself is highly significant. But it is not the same as these allegations being verified. Even if this was an intelligence community document—which it isn't—this kind of raw intelligence is still treated with skepticism."[17][18] Hennessey and Benjamin Wittes wrote that "the current state of the evidence makes a powerful argument for a serious public inquiry into this matter".[18]
    On February 10, 2017, CNN reported that some communications between "senior Russian officials and other Russian individuals" described in the dossier had been corroborated by multiple U.S. officials. They "took place between the same individuals on the same days and from the same locations as detailed in the dossier". Some persons were known to be "heavily involved" in collecting information that could hurt Clinton and aid Trump. CNN was unable to confirm whether conversations were related to Trump. Sources told CNN that some conversations had been "intercepted during routine intelligence gathering", but refused to reveal the content of conversations, or specify which communications were intercepted because the information was classified. U.S. officials said the corroboration gave "US intelligence and law enforcement 'greater confidence' in the credibility of some aspects of the dossier as they continue to actively investigate its contents". They also reported that American intelligence agencies had examined Steele and his "vast network throughout Europe and found him and his sources to be credible."[25]
    On March 30, 2017, Paul Wood reported that the FBI was using the dossier as a roadmap for its investigation.[175] On April 18, 2017, CNN reported that, according to U.S. officials, information from the dossier had been used as part of the basis for getting the FISA warrant to monitor Page in October 2016. Officials told CNN this information would have had to be independently corroborated by the FBI before being used to obtain the warrant.[13][176] In his testimony before Congress, Glenn Simpson "confirmed that the FBI had sources of its own and that whatever the FBI learned from Steele was simply folded into its ongoing work."[177]
    British journalist Julian Borger wrote on October 7, 2017, that "Steele's reports are being taken seriously after lengthy scrutiny by federal and congressional investigators", at least Steele's assessment that Russia had conducted a campaign to interfere in the 2016 election to Clinton's detriment; that part of the Steele dossier "has generally gained in credibility, rather than lost it".[121]
    On October 11, 2017, it was reported that Senator Sheldon Whitehouse (D-Rhode Island), member of the Senate Judiciary Committee (SJC), had stated: "As I understand it, a good deal of his information remains unproven, but none of it has been disproven, and considerable amounts of it have been proven."[178]
    On October 27, 2017, Robert S. Litt, a former lawyer for the Director of National Intelligence, was quoted as stating that the dossier "played absolutely no role" in the intelligence community's determination that Russia had interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.[179]
    On November 15, 2017, Adam Schiff stated that much of the dossier's content is about Russian efforts to help Trump, and those allegations "turned out to be true", something later affirmed by the January 6, 2017, intelligence community assessment released by the ODNI.[108]
    On December 7, 2017, commentator Jonathan Chait wrote that as "time goes by, more and more of the claims first reported by Steele have been borne out", with the mainstream media "treat[ing] [the dossier] as gossip" whereas the intelligence community "take it seriously".[16]
    On January 29, 2018, Mark Warner, the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, said "little of that dossier has either been fully proven or conversely, disproven".[180][181]
    John Sipher, who served 28 years as a clandestine CIA agent, including heading the agency's Russia program, said investigating the dossier allegations requires access to non-public records. He said "[p]eople who say it's all garbage, or all true, are being politically biased", adding he believes that while the dossier may not be correct in every detail, it is "generally credible" and "In the intelligence business, you don't pretend you're a hundred per cent accurate. If you're seventy or eighty per cent accurate, that makes you one of the best." He said the Mueller investigation would ultimately judge its merits.[11] Sipher has written that "Many of my former CIA colleagues have taken the [dossier] reports seriously since they were first published."[126]
    During his April 15, 2018, ABC News interview with George Stephanopoulos, former FBI Director James Comey described Steele as a "credible source": "It was coming from a credible source, someone with a track record, someone who was a credible and respected member of an allied intelligence service during his career, and so it was important that we try to understand it, and see what could we verify, what could we rule in or rule out."[182]
    In May 2018, former career intelligence officer James Clapper believed that "more and more" of the dossier had been validated over time.[183][24]
    Varied reactions about veracity
    Steele, the author of the dossier, said he believes that 70–90% of the dossier is accurate.[43][31] In testimony to Congress, Simpson quoted "Steele as saying that any intelligence, especially from Russia, is bound to carry intentional disinformation, but that Steele believes his dossier is 'largely not disinformation'",[75] except for the "golden showers" allegation, which he gives a 50% chance of being true.[31]
    Other observers and experts have had varying reactions to the dossier. Generally, "former intelligence officers and other national-security experts" urged "skepticism and caution" but still took "the fact that the nation's top intelligence officials chose to present a summary version of the dossier to both President Obama and President-elect Trump" as an indication "that they may have had a relatively high degree of confidence that at least some of the claims therein were credible, or at least worth investigating further".[17]
    Vice President Joe Biden told reporters that, while he and Obama were receiving a briefing on the extent of election hacking attempts, there was a two-page addendum which addressed the contents of the Steele dossier.[78] Top intelligence officials told them they "felt obligated to inform them about uncorroborated allegations about President-elect Donald Trump out of concern the information would become public and catch them off-guard".[184]
    On January 11, 2017, Newsweek published a list of "13 things that don't add up" in the dossier, writing that it was a "strange mix of the amateur and the insightful" and stating that it "contains lots of Kremlin-related gossip that could indeed be, as the author claims, from deep insiders—or equally gleaned" from Russian newspapers and blogs.[185] Former UK ambassador to Russia Sir Tony Brenton stated that certain aspects of the dossier were inconsistent with British intelligence's understanding of how the Kremlin works, commenting: "I've seen quite a lot of intelligence on Russia, and there are some things in [the dossier] which look pretty shaky."[186]
    In his June 2017 Senate Intelligence Committee testimony, former FBI director James Comey called "some personally sensitive aspects" of the dossier "salacious and unverified," but he did not state that the entire dossier was unverified or that the salacious aspects were false. When Senator Richard Burr asked if any of the allegations in the dossier had been confirmed, Comey said he could not answer that question in a public setting.[187][27]
    Trump and his supporters have challenged the veracity of the dossier because it was funded in part by the Clinton campaign and the DNC, while Democrats assert the funding source is irrelevant.[188]
    Veracity of certain allegations
    Russian assistance to the Trump campaign
    Main articles: Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections and Trump Tower meeting
    A January 6, 2017, intelligence community assessment released by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) stated that Russian leadership favored the Trump candidacy over Clinton's, and that Putin personally ordered an "influence campaign" to harm Clinton's electoral chances and "undermine public faith in the US democratic process," as well as ordering cyber attacks on "both major U.S. political parties".[189]
    Newsweek stated that "the dossier's main finding, that Russia tried to prop up Trump over Clinton, was confirmed by" this assessment.[112] ABC News stated that "some of the dossier's broad implications—particularly that Russian President Vladimir Putin launched an operation to boost Trump and sow discord within the U.S. and abroad—now ring true."[50] Referring to the ODNI assessment, former Los Angeles Times Moscow correspondent Robert Gillette wrote in an op-ed in the Concord Monitor that the dossier has had at least one of its main factual assertions verified. According to Gillette, "Steele's dossier, paraphrasing multiple sources, reported precisely the same conclusion, in greater detail, six months earlier, in a memo dated June 20."[190]
    In The New Yorker, Jane Mayer has stated that the allegation that Trump was favored by the Kremlin, and that they offered Trump's campaign dirt on Clinton, has proven true.[11]
    In March 2016, George Papadopoulos, a Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, learned that the Russians had "dirt" on Clinton in the form of thousands of stolen emails. This occurred before the hacking of the DNC computers had become public knowledge.[191][192] Papadopoulos sent emails about Putin to at least seven Trump campaign officials. Trump national campaign co-chairman Sam Clovis[193] encouraged Papadopoulos to fly to Russia and meet with agents of the Russian Foreign Ministry, who reportedly wanted to share "Clinton dirt" with the Trump campaign.[194][195] When Donald Trump Jr. learned of the offer, he welcomed it by responding: "If it's what you say, I love it..."[11] Later, on June 9, 2016, a meeting in Trump Tower was held, ostensibly for representatives from Russia to deliver that dirt on Clinton.[196][197]
    At the July 2018 summit meeting in Helsinki, Putin was asked if he had wanted Trump to win the 2016 election. He responded "Yes, I did. Yes, I did. Because he talked about bringing the U.S.-Russia relationship back to normal."[198]
    'Golden showers' allegation
    Regarding the "golden showers" allegation, Michael Isikoff and David Corn have stated that Steele's "faith in the sensational sex claim would fade over time.... As for the likelihood of the claim that prostitutes had urinated in Trump's presence, Steele would say to colleagues, 'It's 50–50'."[31]
    According to Comey, Trump told him on two occasions that it could not have happened because he did not stay overnight in Moscow at the time of the Miss Universe contest. However, that claim was soon disproven.[166] According to flight records, Trump arrived by private jet, landed in Moscow at around 3 p.m. on Friday, November 8, and spent that night in Moscow.[168][169] Thomas Roberts, the host of the Miss Universe contest, confirmed that "Trump was in Moscow for one full night and at least part of another. (November 8–10).[167] According to flight records, Keith Schiller's testimony, social media posts, and Trump's close friend, Aras Agalarov, Trump arrived by private jet on Friday, November 8, going to the Ritz-Carlton hotel and booking into the presidential suite, where the "golden showers" incident is alleged to have occurred.[11][170]
    There were a number of meetings and a lunch that day. Schiller related that a Russian approached them "around lunch-time"[199] and offered to "send five women to Trump's hotel room that night".[200] According to "multiple sources", the offer "came from a Russian who was accompanying Emin Agalarov".[199] Schiller said he didn't take the offer seriously and told the Russian, 'We don't do that type of stuff'."[200] That evening Trump attended a birthday party for Aras Agalarov.[201][200] They returned to the hotel after the party. Schiller testified that, "On their way up to Trump's hotel room that night, [he told Trump] about the offer and Trump laughed it off".[199] He then accompanied Trump to his room, stayed outside the door for a few minutes, and then left.[199] According to one source, Schiller "could not say for sure what happened during the remainder of the night."[202] British music publicist Rob Goldstone believes it was "unlikely" that Trump used prostitutes while he was in Moscow. He has stated that he accompanied Trump at the 2013 Miss Universe pageant, and claimed that Trump was in Moscow for 36 hours, and that he was with Trump for 31 out of those 36 hours.[168]
    The next day, Facebook posts showed he was at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel.[201] That evening he attended the Miss Universe pageant, followed by an after party. He then returned to his hotel, packed, and flew back to the United States.[169]
    Republican position on Russian conflict with Ukraine and related sanctions
    The dossier alleges that "the Trump campaign agreed to minimize US opposition to Russia's incursions into Ukraine".[203] Harding considers this allegation to have been confirmed by the actions of the Trump campaign: "This is precisely what happened at the Republican National Convention last July, when language on the US's commitment to Ukraine was mysteriously softened."[73] In July 2016, the Republican National Convention made changes to the Republican Party's platform on Ukraine: initially the platform proposed providing "lethal weapons" to Ukraine, but the line was changed to "appropriate assistance". NPR reported, "Diana Denman, a Republican delegate who supported arming U.S. allies in Ukraine, has told people that Trump aide J.D. Gordon said at the Republican Convention in 2016 that Trump directed him to support weakening that position in the official platform."[204] J. D. Gordon, who was one of Trump's national security advisers during the campaign, said that he had advocated for changing language because that reflected what Trump had said.[148][205]
    Kyle Cheney sees evidence that the change was "on the campaign's radar" because Carter Page congratulated campaign members in an email the day after the platform amendment: "As for the Ukraine amendment, excellent work."[206] Paul Manafort falsely said that the change "absolutely did not come from the Trump campaign".[207] Trump told George Stephanopoulos that people in his campaign were responsible for changing the GOP's platform stance on Ukraine, but that he was not personally involved.[208]
    Trump had formerly taken a hard line on Ukraine. He initially denounced Russia's annexation of Crimea as a "land grab" that "should never have happened", and called for a firmer U.S. response, saying "We should definitely be strong. We should definitely do sanctions." But after hiring Manafort his approach changed; he said he might recognize Crimea as Russian territory and might lift the sanctions against Russia.[209]
    Relations with Europe and NATO


    Vladimir Putin (2017)
    The dossier alleges that as part of a quid pro quo agreement, "the TRUMP team had agreed… to raise US/NATO defense commitments in the Baltics and Eastern Europe to deflect attention away from Ukraine, a priority for PUTIN who needed to cauterise the subject."[120] Aiko Stevenson, writing in The Huffington Post, noted that some of Trump's actions seem to align with "Putin's wish list", which "includes lifting sanctions on Russia, turning a blind eye towards its aggressive efforts in the Ukraine, and creating a divisive rift amongst western allies."[210] During the campaign Trump "called Nato, the centrepiece of Transatlantic security 'obsolete', championed the disintegration of the EU, and said that he is open to lifting sanctions on Moscow."[210] Harding adds that Trump repeatedly "questioned whether US allies were paying enough into Nato coffers."[73] Jeff Stein, writing in Newsweek, described how "Trump's repeated attacks on NATO have...frustrated...allies ...[and] raised questions as to whether the president has been duped into facilitating Putin's long-range objective of undermining the European Union."[211] Trump's appearances at meetings with allies, including NATO and G7, have frequently been antagonistic; according to the Los Angeles Times, "The president's posture toward close allies has been increasingly and remarkably confrontational this year, especially in comparison to his more conciliatory approach to adversaries, including Russia and North Korea."[212]
    Lifting of sanctions
    The dossier says that Page, claiming to speak with Trump's authority, had confirmed that Trump would lift the existing sanctions against Russia if he were elected president.[114] On December 29, 2016, during the transition period between the election and the inauguration, National Security Advisor designate Flynn spoke to Russian Ambassador Sergei Kislyak, urging him not to retaliate for newly imposed sanctions; the Russians took his advice and did not retaliate.[213]
    Within days after the inauguration, new Trump administration officials ordered State Department staffers to develop proposals for immediately revoking the economic and other sanctions.[214] One retired diplomat later said, "What was troubling about these stories is that suddenly I was hearing that we were preparing to rescind sanctions in exchange for, well, nothing."[215] The staffers alerted Congressional allies who took steps to codify the sanctions into law. The attempt to overturn the sanctions was abandoned after Flynn's conversation was revealed and Flynn resigned.[214][130] In August 2017, Congress passed a bipartisan bill to impose new sanctions on Russia. Trump reluctantly signed the bill, but then refused to implement it.[216] After Trump hired Manafort, his approach toward Ukraine changed; he said he might recognize Crimea as Russian territory and might lift the sanctions against Russia.[209]
    Among those sanctioned were Russian oligarchs like Oleg Deripaska, "who is linked to Paul Manafort," parliament member Konstantin Kosachev, banker Aleksandr Torshin, and Putin's son-in-law. Preparation for the sanctions started already before Trump took office.[217] In January 2019, Trump's Treasury Department lifted the sanctions on companies formerly controlled by Deripaska. Sanctions on Deripaska himself remained in effect.[218]
    Spy withdrawn from Russian embassy
    The dossier alleges that a "Russian diplomat Mikhail KULAGIN [sic]" participated in US election meddling, and was recalled to Moscow because Kremlin was concerned that his role in the meddling would be exposed. The BBC later reported that US officials in 2016 had identified Russian diplomat Mikhail Kalugin as a spy and that he was under surveillance, thus "verifying" a key claim in the dossier.[119] Kalugin was the head of the economics section at the Russian embassy. He returned to Russia in August 2016.[121] McClatchy reported that the FBI was investigating whether Kalugin played a role in the election interference. Kalugin has denied the allegations.[121][219]
    Page met with Rosneft officials
    Jane Mayer said that this part of the dossier seems true, even if the name of an official may have been wrong. Page's congressional testimony confirmed he held secret meetings with top Moscow and Rosneft officials, including talks about a payoff: "When Page was asked if a Rosneft executive had offered him a 'potential sale of a significant percentage of Rosneft,' Page said, 'He may have briefly mentioned it'."[11]
    On November 2, 2017, Page appeared before the House Intelligence Committee (HPSCI) which is investigating Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections. In July 2016, Page made a five-day trip to Moscow,[220] but, according to his testimony, before leaving he informed Jeff Sessions, J. D. Gordon, Hope Hicks, and Corey Lewandowski, Trump's campaign manager, of the planned trip to Russia, and Lewandowski approved the trip, responding: "If you'd like to go on your own, not affiliated with the campaign, you know, that's fine."[145][162] In his testimony, Page admitted he met with high ranking Kremlin officials. Previously, Page had denied meeting any Russian officials during the July trip. His comments appeared to corroborate portions of the dossier.[163][164] Newsweek has listed the claim about Page meeting with Rosneft officials as "verified".[221]
    Use of botnets and porn traffic by hackers
    The accusation that Aleksej Gubarev's "XBT/Webzilla and its affiliates had been using botnets and porn traffic to transmit viruses, plant bugs, steal data and conduct 'altering operations' against the Democratic Party leadership"[149] has been proven true, due to evidence found during the discovery process in the defamation suit(s) Gubarev had filed against others.[222][223][224]
    The report by FTI Consulting stated:
    Mr. Gubarev's "companies have provided gateways to the internet for cybercriminals and Russian state-sponsored actors to launch and control large scale malware campaigns over the past decade," the report concluded. "Gubarev and other XBT executives do not appear to actively prevent cybercriminals from using their infrastructure."[222]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heff View Post
    Who cares? They are/were shit politicians.
    Americans care


    you russo bot holes dont care about anything

    You are programs not people

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