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    Quote Originally Posted by Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez View Post
    What positions are those psych grads holding at BofA?
    Human Resources.
    Account Managers.
    Case Managers.
    Operational Managers.
    Sales Associates.
    Executive Directors.

    I mean, you can go on Payscale and see for yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Controlled Opposition View Post
    You are the emotional wreck, not me. Each one of my posts says, "Note my apathy."
    Right...no argument from me that you're a lazy, entitled nobody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    Right...no argument from me that you're a lazy, entitled nobody.

    Your posts speak for themselves. I see you've even gone back to the statues issue. Asperger's Syndrome? Are you on the spectrum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Controlled Opposition View Post
    Your posts speak for themselves. I see you've even gone back to the statues issue. Asperger's Syndrome? Are you on the spectrum?
    The statues issue...oh right, if we had more history majors, we wouldn't need the Confederate statues to help you remember history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Controlled Opposition View Post
    That comment was not directed at you, Jack.
    OK. Thanks for the clarification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Controlled Opposition View Post
    Your posts speak for themselves.
    Not sure why anyone would want to celebrate their laziness. But, we live in strange times where the laziest among us think they're entitled to everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    Yeah, exactly.

    Corporate businesses hire people with degrees in anthropology, sociology, history, women's studies, and psychology because they want to increase their sales, revenue, and customer base.

    Anyone who thinks those degrees don't have value is a fucking moron.
    He's belongs to the kind that thinks "Liberal Arts" is acutally Libral ….it's the purpose of this thread....it's why right wingers demonize degrees in anything but business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    I have never understood the inclination among some science, engineering, and business grads to bash liberal arts degrees.

    Plenty of scientists can't write and are terrible speakers. Some psychology majors are bad at math. Any organization needs a mix of talent. Good writing skills, an ability to reason, and good speaking skills are at a premium in value.

    My opinion? Study what interests you, study what you like, study what you are passionate about - and the rest of life will fall into place if you have ambition and commitment.

    One of my cousins was an Art History major at a Canadian university - and I think she might make more money than me!
    Because it has the word Liberal in it..that's how dumb and shallow they are.

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    In this country it's not what you know it's WHO YOU KNOW!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    I couldn't agree with you more. You can't swing a dead cat by the tail in Ohio without hitting a small liberal arts teaching college like Dennison, Antioch, Oberlin, Kenyon, Wooster, Baldwin-Wallace, Heidelberg, etc., and if I had the money I'd rather send my kid to one of them than State U or any of the Prestigious Research Universities. I would do so as I know they will receive superior class room instruction.

    Having said that one of the hard truths that no one wants to seem to admit to during this scandal is that not all kids are college material. Some of the more prestigious State Universities have surprisingly high drop out rates as they often have to accept qualified in State students who get there and being immature party their way out of school.
    I have a cousin who got his doctorate in one of those podunk schools.....I think it was Ohio State.....he's a professor at Iowa State now teaching turf management to students in golf course management.....written a few books.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by reagansghost View Post

    if the fuck does actually live in CA he needs to get the fuck out
    so should everyone else...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    Having said that one of the hard truths that no one wants to seem to admit to during this scandal is that not all kids are college material. Some of the more prestigious State Universities have surprisingly high drop out rates as they often have to accept qualified in State students who get there and being immature party their way out of school.
    Isn't that the truth? When I went to LSU the only criteria for getting in for in staters was a h.s. diploma. Freshmen dorms in the fall semester were a non stop party or noise.
    In spring they were more than half empty.

    Fortunately that's all changed, they now have standards but the smaller state U's are still the same.

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    Hello Controlled Opposition,

    Quote Originally Posted by Controlled Opposition View Post
    Your biases are showing.
    Yeah, I tend to be biased towards wanting individuals of good repute on the SCOTUS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Controlled Opposition View Post
    I didn't want Kavanaugh, but I believe that Ford was a total failure as a witness and probably a victim of her own false memory syndrome. Then too, the FBI was conducting a background investigation, not a criminal investigation.
    Your bias is showing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Controlled Opposition View Post
    And FINALLY, the Kavanaugh confirmation was an entirely unrelated matter than Benghazi. Another false, irrelevant, failed attempt at equivalency.
    The relevancy between the Kav hearings and the Republican's relentless pursuit of wrongdoing in the Banghazi incident is the stark hypocrisy of Republicans. Ongoing investigation after investigation of the Democratic Secretary of State, but a single pretend mock one into the allegations against a Republican SCOTUS nominee.
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    Hello anonymoose,

    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    To each their own I guess. Some professionals' overriding decision on where to go to school or work is what it can do for their professional development.
    For me it's where can I go for the best quality of life.
    Socialist Norway is a very high quality of life place to be. But you meant college. That has me wondering. I wonder which colleges produce the highest quality of life for their students and those who may work for them as employees?

    Do elite colleges tend to graduate good employers?

    Or ruthless scum that nobody likes to work for.......... (such as Donald Trump)
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    Op-ed from some dude at the WaPo who went to Harvard arguing the need for over concerned parents to relax about where their kids go to school. As a new parent I'm all gung ho that my daughter only go to the best schools. Of course that doesn't necessarily mean it's the right fit for her.

    For those of you who have raised your kids how "stressed" did you get over them getting into the best schools?




    Dear Lori Loughlin and Felicity Huffman: You wasted your money

    Dear Lori Loughlin, Felicity Huffman and other rich parents who got their children into selective colleges with bribes:


    Let me explain something to you. I went to Harvard, which accepts only 5 percent of applicants. I confess that when I opened the acceptance letter, I thought great wealth and power would soon be mine. So why have I spent my life being ordered around by people who attended less-selective schools?

    I'm not complaining. I love my work. But I have always wondered why smart people like you assume getting into an Ivy League school, or its equivalent, guarantees success.

    What about the giants of film and business who didn't go to selective universities? I will cite the acceptance rate reported by U.S. News & World Report for each college I mention.

    Steven Spielberg attended California State University at Long Beach (29 percent of applicants accepted).

    Warren Buffett graduated from the University of Nebraska (64 percent). In addition to Buffett, the other CEOs of the top five companies on the 2018 Fortune 500 list went to these schools: University of Arkansas (66 percent), Texas A&M University (70 percent), Auburn University (84 percent) and Illinois State University (89 percent). The evening news anchors at ABC, CBS and NBC attended Ithaca College (71 percent), Syracuse University (47 percent) and California State University at Sacramento (68 percent).

    Permit me to get personal. Here are the colleges of The Washington Post managing editors, deputy managing editors and local editor, who have the power to fire me: University of Maryland at College Park (44 percent), Northwestern University (9 percent), Brown University (9 percent), Kalamazoo College (73 percent), University of Colorado at Boulder (80 percent) and Pomona College in California (8 percent).

    There are a few grads from ultra-selective schools in that group, but they all answer to executive editor Martin Baron. He was played by Liev Schreiber (Hampshire College in Massachusetts, 64 percent) in the Oscar-winning best picture "Spotlight," about his leadership of the Boston Globe. Baron graduated from Lehigh University in Pennsylvania (25 percent).

    Don't forget Frederick J. Ryan Jr., The Post's publisher and chief executive (University of Southern California, 16 percent). Many of you paid big money to get your kids illegally into his alma mater, but it is not as selective as other schools in the scandal, such as Stanford University (5 percent) and Yale University (7 percent).

    I realize The Post's owner, Amazon founder and chief executive Jeffrey P. Bezos, went to Princeton University (6 percent). But the Ivy League had little to teach him about how to become the world's richest person. Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates, almost as wealthy, realized that early and dropped out of Harvard after two years.

    Do your homework. Ultra-selective-college diplomas don't correlate with better pay. Researchers Stacy Berg Dale and Alan B. Krueger looked at 30 schools, the most selective being Yale and Swarthmore College in Pennsylvania. They found that students who were admitted to the most-selective schools but who decided to attend less-selective colleges did not sacrifice anything in future pay: They wound up 20 years later earning as much as peers who went to selective schools. The scholars concluded that monetary success was the result of character traits such as persistence and warmth acquired long before we go to college.

    The exception, they said: low-income students, who on average were better paid if they attended a more-selective school. The data also indicate women made more if they went to more-selective schools because they were less likely to marry and put their careers on hold for child-rearing.

    There are ways for desperate parents like you to get your kids into selective colleges without risking indictment. They could enroll at less-selective colleges, do well and transfer to an Ivy after a year or two. That path was taken by the two most recent U.S. presidents, and me.

    The presidents of the past two decades have all been Ivy League alums. But those brand-name diplomas do not guarantee success in office. Ronald Reagan was preceded by U.S. Naval Academy (8 percent) graduate Jimmy Carter and succeeded by Yale graduate George H.W. Bush. Reagan attended Eureka College in Illinois (62 percent), yet historians rank him ninth among all presidents, while Bush is 20th and Carter 26th.

    Change is possible. The Post's 2020 Power Rankings for Democrats seeking their party's presidential nomination show Joe Biden (University of Delaware, 60 percent) and Sen. Kamala D. Harris (Howard University, 41 percent) ranked No. 1 and No. 2, respectively.

    Think about the powerful people you know. I'll bet most of them did not attend colleges that are nearly impossible to get into. If you had encouraged kindness, humor and hard work in your children, they would have done fine. And you would have had to spend much less money on lawyers.

    Sincerely, Jay Mathews.


    https://www.sfgate.com/opinion/artic...u-13708375.php

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