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    Default W. Bush: Immigration Is A Blessing, A Strength; Immigrant History Made Us Who We Are.

    President George W. Bush rips Trump's policy to shreds in speech:

    George W Bush: 'Immigration a blessing'

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    "Former US President George W Bush has extolled the impact of immigrants on the country, in a speech to new American citizens.

    He spoke at a naturalisation ceremony hosted at the George W Bush Institute in Dallas, Texas, on Monday.

    Mr Bush's comments were seen as an implicit rebuke to President Donald Trump's administration, ..."

    -Because President Trump has taken steps to limit even LEGAL immigration.

    Nice dig, W!
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    We all know that. BUSH was in TRUMP'S face. Pooooor baby, Trump just can't get no respect!
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    Legal immigration is exactly that. Illegal immigration is a crime.
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    43 is a retard. Also, physically, at the same age, I could kick his retard ass. He isn't half the American you and I are and he certainly never deserved the presidency. His whole career was a setup. Big free pass. He alone took more from us than the entire lineage of his bloodline was ever worth. His nickname should be "debt supreme". The only people that support and approve of him are the ones his administration paid for support. He did huge things, yes, huge things for other countries and you and I have to pay for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    President George W. Bush rips Trump's policy to shreds in speech:

    George W Bush: 'Immigration a blessing'

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    "Former US President George W Bush has extolled the impact of immigrants on the country, in a speech to new American citizens.

    He spoke at a naturalisation ceremony hosted at the George W Bush Institute in Dallas, Texas, on Monday.

    Mr Bush's comments were seen as an implicit rebuke to President Donald Trump's administration, ..."

    -Because President Trump has taken steps to limit even LEGAL immigration.

    Nice dig, W!
    Hi Politalker,

    I must say, I have some issues with this take. W Bush never criticized Obama, he didn't feel it was the place of former presidents to criticize the current one. I find it hard to believe that speaking positively about legal immigrants at a naturalization ceremony equals a rebuke to Trump. Especially coming from GWB, not his style. Would you expect a speaker at such an event to make disparaging comments about legal immigrants? The only people who "saw an implicit rebuke to Trump" in Bush 43's speech were most likely suffering from a severe case of Trump derangement syndrome.

    Also the premise that there is something wrong with "limiting even legal immigration" seems false. Should legal immigration be without limits?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirthinksalot View Post
    Hi Politalker,

    I must say, I have some issues with this take. W Bush never criticized Obama, he didn't feel it was the place of former presidents to criticize the current one. I find it hard to believe that speaking positively about legal immigrants at a naturalization ceremony equals a rebuke to Trump. Especially coming from GWB, not his style. Would you expect a speaker at such an event to make disparaging comments about legal immigrants? The only people who "saw an implicit rebuke to Trump" in Bush 43's speech were most likely suffering from a severe case of Trump derangement syndrome.

    Also the premise that there is something wrong with "limiting even legal immigration" seems false. Should legal immigration be without limits?
    well said/ you nailed it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Legal immigration is exactly that. Illegal immigration is a crime.
    This attempted dodge does not cut the mustard.

    Trump has been a xenophobic fascist on both illegal migrants as well as legal immigrants.

    Trump is known to have told people that we need to have more people immigrating from Norway, and less people immigrating from "shithole" places like Africa and Haiti.

    There is only one thing you can say to something like that: Heil Hitler!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    This attempted dodge does not cut the mustard.

    Trump has been a xenophobic fascist on both illegal migrants as well as legal immigrants.

    Trump is known to have told people that we need to have more people immigrating from Norway, and less people immigrating from "shithole" places like Africa and Haiti.

    There is only one thing you can say to something like that: Heil Hitler!
    Shithole rhetoric aside, it’s not debatable that we don’t need more unskilled workers entering the country.

    It’s no longer 1890.
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    Good morning Sirthinksalot,

    Quote Originally Posted by Sirthinksalot View Post
    Hi Politalker,

    I must say, I have some issues with this take. W Bush never criticized Obama, he didn't feel it was the place of former presidents to criticize the current one. I find it hard to believe that speaking positively about legal immigrants at a naturalization ceremony equals a rebuke to Trump. Especially coming from GWB, not his style. Would you expect a speaker at such an event to make disparaging comments about legal immigrants? The only people who "saw an implicit rebuke to Trump" in Bush 43's speech were most likely suffering from a severe case of Trump derangement syndrome.

    Also the premise that there is something wrong with "limiting even legal immigration" seems false. Should legal immigration be without limits?
    You are certainly entitled to your view and I appreciate you giving your honest impression in a cordial way. Bush has presidential class. Obama has presidential class. Trump doesn't know the meaning of it.

    You are right, it is not GWB's style, as a past President, to criticize a sitting President. We already know that President Trump will not observe that tradition. The only way he would not be tweeting about whomever replaces him would be if he is dead or in prison and they take his phone away.

    No, GWB would not directly criticize a sitting President and his resolve has been sorely tested by Trump. The only way GWB would say ANYTHING questioning a sitting President would have to be very subtle. Which is exactly what he did. By talking about how precious immigration is to the strength and greatness of our nation, it is most certainly and indirect dig at Trump.

    President Trump lied when he said in the SOTU speech that he wants as many people to immigrate here legally as possible. Instead, he has reduced the number of illegal immigrants. He said one thing, did the opposite. That's lying. And it shows that he only favors immigrants from selected countries, has no open mind about it and is most definitely supporting xenophobes with his Muslim Ban.

    He has totally got to be fooling himself if he thinks there are any great number of people in Norway who would like to emigrate to the USA. They have universal health care and a federal surplus, with no debt. They live longer, and they are richer than the USA, having a far higher per capita GDP, but also having less income inequality. The standard of living in Norway is among the highest in the world, far higher than that of the USA. Norway is a shining socialist success story, which is why conservatives NEVER mention Norway when they are clinging to the Conservative Myth that socialism 'has always failed every time it has been tried' (total baloney.) Trump would actually be lucky if he doesn't spur interest in Americans wanting to emigrate TO Norway.

    Trump is a xenophobe who has surrounded himself with xenophobes. GWB was very sly to talk about the greatness of immigration for the USA. It was the perfect way to make a subtle dig at Trump. Just subtle enough to that it could fly right over the heads of his supporters and they would never see it.

    Good one, W.
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    Hello Darth,

    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Beto Omar View Post
    Shithole rhetoric aside, it’s not debatable that we don’t need more unskilled workers entering the country.

    It’s no longer 1890.
    Training works just as well on immigrants as it does on natural born citizens. We do need more workers paying into the Social Security System or else we might have to abandon that and go to a UBI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    This attempted dodge does not cut the mustard.

    Trump has been a xenophobic fascist on both illegal migrants as well as legal immigrants.

    Trump is known to have told people that we need to have more people immigrating from Norway, and less people immigrating from "shithole" places like Africa and Haiti.

    There is only one thing you can say to something like that: Heil Hitler!
    Legal immigrants have demonstrated that there is a need for what they bring to the table. That generally means educated and skilled and while there are educated and skilled people in shithole countries there is a better percentage from non-shithole ones. Simple facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Darth,



    Training works just as well on immigrants as it does on natural born citizens. We do need more workers paying into the Social Security System or else we might have to abandon that and go to a UBI.
    Trained to do what lol?

    It’s an issue of enough jobs. We’re close to full employment now. Like I said, it’s no longer 1890 when unskilled laborers could come here in hordes and find work.
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    Hello Darth,

    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Beto Omar View Post
    Trained to do what lol?
    Training to do any job which requires training. What. You think existing citizens were born trained? It doesn't matter where somebody comes from. If they can be trained and do a good job then they should be able to contribute to our economy and pay taxes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Beto Omar View Post
    It’s an issue of enough jobs. We’re close to full employment now. Like I said, it’s no longer 1890 when unskilled laborers could come here in hordes and find work.
    Do you believe the number of jobs is a zero-sum game? So nobody can come here and become an entrepreneur, start a business, create jobs? I must have missed the rule that says only American citizens can do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Darth,



    Training to do any job which requires training. What. You think existing citizens were born trained? It doesn't matter where somebody comes from. If they can be trained and do a good job then they should be able to contribute to our economy and pay taxes.



    Do you believe the number of jobs is a zero-sum game? So nobody can come here and become an entrepreneur, start a business, create jobs? I must have missed the rule that says only American citizens can do that.
    A lot of small businesses are started or owned by immigrants

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