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    Quote Originally Posted by Apple Lung-Li-Chiao View Post
    What? Did you type something wrong?
    No. I'm looking for the great scholar to provide for me one verse of the Bible that makes it incompatible with the Constitution. Notwithstanding the "Free Exercise" clause we'll focus on "establishment", we're looking for something from their holy book that shows that Christians are mandated in some way by their religion to take over and run the government or something. One little thing? Just one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    It matters nothing to the discussion at hand in which it was asked what part of the religion is incompatible with the constitution. So, we ask you to provide a portion of the religious mandates that require Christians to establish itself as a "state religion" because we understand the Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment, both that it exists, and that the religion is not the state religion as we do not have one.
    The fact that it's a religion is what makes it incompatible, but you seem to want what it says in the Bible, and not the constitution. In the bible there is stuff about obeying governing bodies, but it's nuts. I think it's actually referring to Israel, back before the time of Christ. It's the only thing I can think of to answer, without reading through it. It took me a moment to find it, since I haven't seen a bible in years.
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...-7&version=NIV

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    No. I'm looking for the great scholar to provide for me one verse of the Bible that makes it incompatible with the Constitution. Notwithstanding the "Free Exercise" clause we'll focus on "establishment", we're looking for something from their holy book that shows that Christians are mandated in some way by their religion to take over and run the government or something. One little thing? Just one.
    Mandated to take over? That's just Evangelicals needing to evangelize everything. I thought this was about the two being compatible, not that Christians think they should take over. What I just posted shows they shouldn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    None of those are establishing a religion any more than the holiday New Years Day establishes bars or than Independence day establishes barbecues. Many of the more important religious holidays don't even net you day off in this country because this "established" religion isn't an established religion that runs this country. When was the last time you got a day off for Easter other than just because it is part of the "weekend"? How about Passover? Good Friday? (Some unions vote that one in, but it certainly isn't established as a government recognized holiday).
    As a Secular Humanist, I don't want ANY 'religious' stuff tarnishing the United States, like 'In God We Trust' on our Money or like 'Under God' in the Pledge of Allegiance.
    I doubt most Americans want Muslim Holy Days honored, Muslim paraphernalia on Public Property, or Muslim chants before Public Meetings.
    I would guess most Americans are 'Christian' and would be offended by inserting Islamic Traditions into Mainstream America.
    Secular Humanists are offended in the same way (as I would think Jews would be) in the mass marketing of 'Christianity'.

    How about 'God Is Great' on our Flag? How about 'The Christian Republic of America'? Any of those appeal to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Soul View Post
    ...or anything that relates to freedom?

    And, how many libs here think this?
    According to Christianity the universe is a big dictatorship, and we are bound to obey and worship our God because he kind of owns us. He will punish those who believe in another/no religion with eternal torment in a lake of fire for finite sins. This God set up a theocracy in ancient Israel and commanded his people to commit genocide of the locals for having other religions. People must follow a strict religious law or risk the death penalty. After Jesus, the Christians set up religious communes where everyone gave everything they earned to the church, and the church divided accordingly. These communities were led the leaders of the church and were not democracies. Christians were also commanded to obey their kings and pay their taxes because their kings were appointed by God. Slaves were also commanded not to flee their masters.

    This all definitely falls perfectly in line with the constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    Can you supply any verse in the Bible that says that Christianity should be the government?
    Dude. It's a bogus question.

    "What part of Scientology isn't compatible with the US Constitution..." <------ Here, that's an equivalent question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apple Lung-Li-Chiao View Post
    Mandated to take over? That's just Evangelicals needing to evangelize everything. I thought this was about the two being compatible, not that Christians think they should take over. What I just posted shows they shouldn't.
    What the hell do you know about Evangelicals? You attend our churches? Do you associate with us?
    All you assholes attacking Evangelicals know nothing of your claims.
    Common sense is not a gift, it's a punishment because you have to deal with everyone who doesn't have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    There is no socialism, so hard to be compulsory. Just like no capitalism. All countries are mixes.
    Exactly, although more precisely, there are both. And there has to be.

    No matter which party controls the greater piece of our government, we are going to have both the public and the private sectors regardless.

    Anybody who can't work with both socialism and capitalism simultaneously isn't capable of governing a modern country.

    What's more, this should be OBVIOUS. Throwing around words like socialism and capitalism without coming to grips with what they actually mean is not helpful to the discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    There are people today who still think that way. So their version of Christianity contradicts muh Constitution.
    maybe six......can you find a seventh?......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Strange, I don't talk about you like that and you claim to be religious.
    not strange at all.......I am not you.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by distraff View Post
    According to Christianity the universe is a big dictatorship, and we are bound to obey and worship our God because he kind of owns us. He will punish those who believe in another/no religion with eternal torment in a lake of fire for finite sins. This God set up a theocracy in ancient Israel and commanded his people to commit genocide of the locals for having other religions. People must follow a strict religious law or risk the death penalty. After Jesus, the Christians set up religious communes where everyone gave everything they earned to the church, and the church divided accordingly. These communities were led the leaders of the church and were not democracies. Christians were also commanded to obey their kings and pay their taxes because their kings were appointed by God. Slaves were also commanded not to flee their masters.

    This all definitely falls perfectly in line with the constitution.
    wow......are you this ignorant about things other than Christianity?......

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    The Christian's talking point answer to this is that Jesus was talking about charity, not the government redistributing wealth against the people's will.
    Weak AF, but that's the argument.
    Socialism is not about capitalist governments, nor is the Sermon. Caritas = love. Of what is called 'charity' our people rightly say, 'as cold as'. Socialism will happen when the people wake up, so common ownership will not be against the people's will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60 View Post
    What the hell do you know about Evangelicals? You attend our churches? Do you associate with us?
    All you assholes attacking Evangelicals know nothing of your claims.
    Evangelizing is there mission statement, it's where the term comes from, and you see it in their actions. You don't have to be religious to know all about the stuff. Maybe if they weren't giving pass, and kissing Trumps ass, they wouldn't have people ragging on them. I was raised Christian, enough to know that is not on the up, and up. End's don't justify the means. The last thing we need is for the government to act like religious parents. There isn't much freedom, where anyone has to cater to religion. If doctrines are forced by governing bodies, then how can it ever be faithful belief?

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    Quote Originally Posted by distraff View Post
    According to Christianity the universe is a big dictatorship, and we are bound to obey and worship our God because he kind of owns us. He will punish those who believe in another/no religion with eternal torment in a lake of fire for finite sins. This God set up a theocracy in ancient Israel and commanded his people to commit genocide of the locals for having other religions. People must follow a strict religious law or risk the death penalty. After Jesus, the Christians set up religious communes where everyone gave everything they earned to the church, and the church divided accordingly. These communities were led the leaders of the church and were not democracies. Christians were also commanded to obey their kings and pay their taxes because their kings were appointed by God. Slaves were also commanded not to flee their masters.

    This all definitely falls perfectly in line with the constitution.
    I don't want to defend the stuff, but this is kind of ostentatious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iolo View Post
    Socialism is not about capitalist governments, nor is the Sermon. Caritas = love. Of what is called 'charity' our people rightly say, 'as cold as'. Socialism will happen when the people wake up, so common ownership will not be against the people's will.
    The problem with common ownership is that it's essentially the government that owns everything. Maybe the majority of people will someday be ok with that, but I doubt I will ever be. I don't want the government to be able to decide how I use what should be my property.

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