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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    So what is your san francisco white Christian, Protestant point here??

    You want good or just money??
    Did you play sports growing up? Think about the best coaches. His many were “kind” and “nice”? That has nothing to do with religion or race. Many were hard asses that demanded the most from you. But you respected them and for some would run through a wall for them. That’s leadership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    That really is weird.

    Proverbs 11:29

    29Whoever brings ruin on their family will inherit only wind, and the fool will be servant to the wise.

    Proverbs has a lot to offer.

    https://www.biblica.com/bible/niv/proverbs/11/
    As always, the Bible is cherry-picked for what they want it to say. This was copied from an evangelical Trump-supporting family member's social media. This is how they rationalize their support of the Toadstool:


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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    As always, the Bible is cherry-picked for what they want it to say. This was copied from an evangelical Trump-supporting family member's social media. This is how they rationalize their support of the Toadstool:

    OMG
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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    OMG
    In all fairness this meme has been around for ages. It started out as more of a "We all make mistakes, God forgives us, we can still be of service to him." But now it's been twisted into this -- justification for supporting an unrepetent, ungodly, non-Xtian criminal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    So what is your san francisco white Christian, Protestant point here??

    You want good or just money??
    Who are considered some of the biggest leaders the world has seen? Hitler, Castro, Mao Zedong are among the names you will see in various lists. Would you consider any of those three kind, nice and a good person?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Did you play sports growing up? Think about the best coaches. His many were “kind” and “nice”? That has nothing to do with religion or race. Many were hard asses that demanded the most from you. But you respected them and for some would run through a wall for them. That’s leadership.
    ??Pls don't try to conflate hard w/ bad or good... No need for an explanation!!!
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Who are considered some of the biggest leaders the world has seen? Hitler, Castro, Mao Zedong are among the names you will see in various lists. Would you consider any of those three kind, nice and a good person?


    You make up a list of shitty ppl & want me judge their goodness & or kindness???

    Perhaps we can compare ppl like trump, nixon, dick the dick cheney to murderers, rapist & tyrants & they won't look so bad, that changes everything
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post


    You make up a list of shitty ppl & want me judge their goodness & or kindness???

    Perhaps we can compare ppl like trump, nixon, dick the dick cheney to murderers, rapist & tyrants & they won't look so bad, that changes everything
    Those were folks off a list of the best leaders in history. The whole premise is false that all good leaders are necessarily good people

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Those were folks off a list of the best leaders in history. The whole premise is false that all good leaders are necessarily good people
    Best is simply subjective but one has to wonder who in the world could consider hitler as the best~Germany & Europe was destroyed along w/ untold millions dead-fuckin disaster


    If you actually read the title it is asking a question, is it possible... I guess your point is no, it is not possible, you need to be a prick, a thief, a liar, a pussy grabber, be worshiped by cultist looking for any scoundrel to lead them to "his" promised land..
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Best is simply subjective but one has to wonder who in the world could consider hitler as the best~Germany & Europe was destroyed along w/ untold millions dead-fuckin disaster


    If you actually read the title it is asking a question, is it possible... I guess your point is no, it is not possible, you need to be a prick, a thief, a liar, a pussy grabber, be worshiped by cultist looking for any scoundrel to lead them to "his" promised land..
    The OP wasn’t asking a question it was making a statement and it’s just wrong. Not all leaders are good people. Not all leaders lead in a positive way. Jim Jones in SF was a hell of a leader. Would you think of the words nice and kind when thinking of him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    The OP wasn’t asking a question it was making a statement and it’s just wrong. Not all leaders are good people. Not all leaders lead in a positive way. Jim Jones in SF was a hell of a leader. Would you think of the words nice and kind when thinking of him?
    Just a Christian leader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Just a Christian leader.
    Of course Nordberg. You're the guy who boo'd Louie Zamperini, a true American hero if there ever was one, because he turned to Christianity to help with the hell he had been through and that was unacceptable to you.

    You just go to show atheists can hate just as much, and in reality more, than anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourbon View Post
    That's why Obama sucked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    ??Pls don't try to conflate hard w/ bad or good... No need for an explanation!!!
    Nice and kind doesn't determine one's ability to be a good leader. It doesn't take those qualities to have a mass following of people. Look at Obama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    It's interesting that a thread about leadership and multiple folks can only think of one (the same) person in the world. No actual thoughts on what leadership entails and if people we consider historical leaders possess these traits...

    We could think of hundreds of leaders to discuss but take Steve Jobs who led Apple to becoming the most valuable company in the world. How many times have your heard nice associated with his name?
    Using your example of Jobs, I didn't hear the word "nice" associated with him but people seemed to set apart his personality from his accomplishments. When he died he got a lot of accolades in spite of not being a nice person.


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